Trade: ANA-DET

[Shoalzie]

To Anaheim:
Ben Scrivens
2017 1st Rounder (DET)

To Detroit:
Mike Smith
2016 3rd Rounder (ARI)

[Matthew]

confirm.

[Arian The Insider]

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[Shoalzie]

I fully acknowledge that pick will be pretty high but I'm buying 4 years of hopefully not having to chase down a starting goalie.

Granted, the Coyotes are going to be bad this year but he's the undisputed starter with no real goalie for the future. I don't much interest in the rest of the Arizona system.

I avoid giving up my 3 most valuable pieces...Ekblad, Bennett and my 2016 1st. The 2017 draft is too far away far me to worry about.

[Handsome&FairMike]

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+1

[bills09]

Fair

[Lee]

God fucking fuck.

[Matthew]

Guys doing ... I'm pretty sure anyone else with an available starter was asking for Bennett + from Scott, and those were young goalies who havent even secured their positions yet. So Scott could pay Bennett for them, and if they falter, Scott would need to pay for another starter next season just to make gp.

I could be wrong, but that is what it sounded like to me.

[Handsome&FairMike]

Guys doing ... I'm pretty sure anyone else with an available starter was asking for Bennett + from Scott, and those were young goalies who havent even secured their positions yet. So Scott could pay Bennett for them, and if they falter, having to pay for another starter next season.

I could be wrong, but that is what it sounded like to me.

Ya but Scott's team arguably didn't need a starter. Can't be giving up assets like that, especially for potentially the starter with the worst numbers in the league. Better off getting another available backup or just riding with scrivens (who knows if talbot does anything) and keeping that pick. Bennett could have brought back another goalie + valuable assets to make the team more competitive.

Just my opinion, but when you're bad... 1st round picks should be untouchable. Look at how much ennis (the 2nd overall pick) went for... Carey Price?! At the prime of his career, not Mike Smith after the worst season of his career.

[Matthew]

Eichel* was a generational talent. And with Bennett & Ekblad developing, that pick could be the 10th to 15th overall pick.

[Shoalzie]

The asking price was high around the league for a backup, let alone a starter. I talked to San Jose about Keumper and Mrazek and Colorado about Talbot along with Anaheim who had Dubnyk and Smith. Those were my three best team options to get a goalie. Scrivens with another a backup might've gotten me to the minimum GP but the price for backups were a bit much and the idea of splitting up Bennett into smaller assets that I can move became an option.

I'll take this hit for trading this pick but my shot at a high pick in '16 and not getting penalized for goalie GP won't be an issue. Plus, I'm safely above the floor and I can focus on making actual trades to work on my lineup and not make desperate survival trades.

[Handsome&FairMike]

fair enough scott. hope it works out for ya!

[Shoalzie]

Ya but Scott's team arguably didn't need a starter. Can't be giving up assets like that, especially for potentially the starter with the worst numbers in the league. Better off getting another available backup or just riding with scrivens (who knows if talbot does anything) and keeping that pick. Bennett could have brought back another goalie + valuable assets to make the team more competitive.

Just my opinion, but when you're bad... 1st round picks should be untouchable. Look at how much ennis (the 2nd overall pick) went for... Carey Price?! At the prime of his career, not Mike Smith after the worst season of his career.

Edmonton's goalie situation could be volatile all season. Both Talbot and Scrivens are in their contract years. It was an option but it would've been expensive and could've still lead to me having to make another goalie trade next year.

Who is the hot prospect that I have to have in 2017? And what's the guarantee I'll be picking top 3 or higher in two years? It's a gamble but there was no way I move my 2016 1st and lose a shot at Matthews or Chychrun or Puljujarvi.

[Handsome&FairMike]

Edmonton's goalie situation could be volatile all season. Both Talbot and Scrivens are in their contract years. It was an option but it would've been expensive and could've still lead to me having to make another goalie trade next year.

Who is the hot prospect that I have to have in 2017? And what's the guarantee I'll be picking top 3 or higher in two years? It's a gamble but there was no way I move my 2016 1st and lose a shot at Matthews or Chychrun or Puljujarvi.

That's the thing man - you never know about 2017... but even in years where it wasn't an "amazing draft class" you still managed to grab Ekblad who is a monster. But anyways, TBH I don't think you're pick next year will be affected much by this move, other than making sure you hit the goalie min (which is good). Just think there was better stuff out there (i.e. our talks ... guess I'm just a little bitter haha) for your team long-term.

[kyuss]

Sigh

[Matthew]

My team's perspective:

I was able to keep a backup option for Dubnyk in case he falters, with an outside shot that Scrivens can steal the job from Talbot and that EDM can take significant steps forward, plus i got younger and cut goalie cap, as holding 10 million was a little steep going into next season. Scrivens has had around a .915 sv% most of his career, except last yr (.890 sv%).

The pick is definitely the reason i did this deal, as i'm still in re-build, and it could be a good one, even if the player isnt in the league for 2-4 years. I also was able to keep all my Arizona prospects.

I had other options with the entire ARZ system to move for some big help now, with a prime age star winger offered for the entire system (from someone other than Scott). If a prospect had been added to that deal i would have prefered that deal. But the ARZ system includes a fairly recent 1st rd pick, and 4 young good prospect goalies in total, so i was not ready to move the entire system for one player. Also, i'm not ready to compete, so i would have just been trading that star winger for prospects anyways.

[Shoalzie]

I'm not a huge fan of the Arizona system and I'm not going to chase Anders Lindback either. If I get 41 starts a year from Smith, I'll be fine. I'll worry about future goalies later.

[Matthew]

I'm pretty sure ARZ only signed Lindback so they could tank for Matthews this season.

Last yr they traded Dubnyk to tank, as his numbers were far and away better than Smith's at the time.

[Shoalzie]

Sigh

Goalies ain't cheap, am I right?

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[Handsome&FairMike]

Geeze lol didn't know this was a recurring theme Scott.