Bet Payment to PIT from WSH

[Chris]

Just to note, I did not mean to imply you could have these picks when 2014 picks became active. Maybe that's what Scott meant, but it's not cool with me. Regardless of the new GM in Washington these picks were not available to deal with. Why? For the very reason of GMs quitting. If we were to allow this, someone could trade away all their picks for years and years to come in "gentlemen's agreements" and quit the league. Not fair to new GMs.

THIS.

I distinctly remember the previous Dallas GM cancelling a bet I had with Bill that I was going to win. I approved.

[Nick]

More important than shiv leaving/taking a break - is that the bet was a non-BBKL enforced situation between Kareem and shiv; not the penguins and capitals.

[Robin Hood]

Just like Thom inherited Kareem's awesome assets when he took over as GM, he also inherits his bets and debts. You don't just take over Assets. You must also take over Liabilities. That's how it works in the real NHL when a team is sold to a new owner or a new GM takes over but a "conditional" pick is owed.

Null and voided buddy.

You quit, you forgo the pre-arranged assets you've had with another GM.

Broadly speaking here, I think there needs to be a rule here that forgives previous bets/asset payments when a GM quits. As far as I'm concerned, Thom owes nothing to Shiv, especially since Shiv quit in the first place.

Are you a part of the CC? I already said I'm not arguing about this anymore. If you are a part of CC, then talk it over with everyone there and just inform me of the decision. If you are not, then stop arguing with me. I don't want to argue about this anymore.

[Chris]

Let's break this down:

1) Kareem and Shiv make a bet using non-existent draft picks;
2) Mike points out that 2014 draft picks were not being circulated;
3) Scott agreed, but transitioned to say that if the bet was to be completed, compensation can be made when the draft picks were in circulation;
4) Shiv wins the bet, but the 2014 draft picks are still not in circulation;
5) Kareem quits;
6) Shiv quits;
7) Thom is hired as Washington's new GM

From steps 4 and 6 is where the issues lie. There needs to be a rule in which bets made have to be within a calendar year of completion and the assets have to be in circulation. This bet thoroughly sucks for Thom and as far as I'm concerned, as a non-invested party, I think this bet needs to be voided.

[Chris]

Just like Thom inherited Kareem's awesome assets when he took over as GM, he also inherits his bets and debts. You don't just take over Assets. You must also take over Liabilities. That's how it works in the real NHL when a team is sold to a new owner or a new GM takes over but a "conditional" pick is owed.

Null and voided buddy.

You quit, you forgo the pre-arranged assets you've had with another GM.

Broadly speaking here, I think there needs to be a rule here that forgives previous bets/asset payments when a GM quits. As far as I'm concerned, Thom owes nothing to Shiv, especially since Shiv quit in the first place.

Are you a part of the CC? I already said I'm not arguing about this anymore. If you are a part of CC, then talk it over with everyone there and just inform me of the decision. If you are not, then stop arguing with me. I don't want to argue about this anymore.

No one's arguing. See my last post. It not personal.

[Robin Hood]

Just like Thom inherited Kareem's awesome assets when he took over as GM, he also inherits his bets and debts. You don't just take over Assets. You must also take over Liabilities. That's how it works in the real NHL when a team is sold to a new owner or a new GM takes over but a "conditional" pick is owed.

Null and voided buddy.

You quit, you forgo the pre-arranged assets you've had with another GM.

Broadly speaking here, I think there needs to be a rule here that forgives previous bets/asset payments when a GM quits. As far as I'm concerned, Thom owes nothing to Shiv, especially since Shiv quit in the first place.

Are you a part of the CC? I already said I'm not arguing about this anymore. If you are a part of CC, then talk it over with everyone there and just inform me of the decision. If you are not, then stop arguing with me. I don't want to argue about this anymore.

No one's arguing. See my last post. It not personal.

I see flaws in your last post. But that is no longer for me to argue. The CC has it. You are entitled to your opinion. But whatever decision they rule, I'll be okay with that. End of story.

[Nick]

Let's break this down:

1) Kareem and Shiv make a bet using non-existent draft picks;
2) Mike points out that 2014 draft picks were not being circulated;
3) Scott agreed, but transitioned to say that if the bet was to be completed, compensation can be made when the draft picks were in circulation;
4) Shiv wins the bet, but the 2014 draft picks are still not in circulation;
5) Kareem quits;
6) Shiv quits;
7) Thom is hired as Washington's new GM

From steps 4 and 6 is where the issues lie. There needs to be a rule in which bets made have to be within a calendar year of completion and the assets have to be in circulation. This bet thoroughly sucks for Thom and as far as I'm concerned, as a non-invested party, I think this bet needs to be voided.

Not even that complicated. The bets are made outside the bbkl, and as long as they are not BBKL/CBA/best for the league circumvention they can happen - but will not be enforced by the BBKL, nor are they tied to a BBKL franchise. All bets are between GMs.

This can become painfully clear if you examine some of the early bets: Shook and myself wagering hard cold cash -> that's not passing from one GM to the next; this is no different, although the currency is.

We have regulations against movement of picks in excess of 1 draft in advance, this is an example why. Otherwise a former GM of a team can devastate it for years, basically making it impossible to repair baring a 3 year wait. So regardless of what Kareem tried to do, the pick was protected during his tenure and was still protected when he left.

[Robin Hood]

Let's break this down:

1) Kareem and Shiv make a bet using non-existent draft picks;
2) Mike points out that 2014 draft picks were not being circulated;
3) Scott agreed, but transitioned to say that if the bet was to be completed, compensation can be made when the draft picks were in circulation;
4) Shiv wins the bet, but the 2014 draft picks are still not in circulation;
5) Kareem quits;
6) Shiv quits;
7) Thom is hired as Washington's new GM

From steps 4 and 6 is where the issues lie. There needs to be a rule in which bets made have to be within a calendar year of completion and the assets have to be in circulation. This bet thoroughly sucks for Thom and as far as I'm concerned, as a non-invested party, I think this bet needs to be voided.

Not even that complicated. The bets are made outside the bbkl, and as long as they are not BBKL/CBA/best for the league circumvention they can happen - but will not be enforced by the BBKL, nor are they tied to a BBKL franchise. All bets are between GMs.

This can become painfully clear if you examine some of the early bets: Shook and myself wagering hard cold cash -> that's not passing from one GM to the next; this is no different, although the currency is.

We have regulations against movement of picks in excess of 1 draft in advance, this is an example why. Otherwise a former GM of a team can devastate it for years, basically making it impossible to repair baring a 3 year wait. So regardless of what Kareem tried to do, the pick was protected during his tenure and was still protected when he left.

Is this the official CC decision? Or your opinion?

[Nick]

My opinion as a CC member, the conversation is taking place.

[The BBKL Insider]

This is some racist shit, probably because shiv is an East Indian.