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Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:27 pm
by Scott
To Toronto

2012 1st round pick (BOS)
2012 2nd round pick (CGY)

To New Jersey

Pascal Dupuis

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:29 pm
by Mike
The Devil wroteCOLONTo Toronto

2012 1st round pick (BOS)
2012 2nd round pick (CGY)

To New Jersey

Pascal Dupuis
Confirmed. I still have many extra NHLers for those who need em.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:29 pm
by Robin Hood
Way too dramatic, Scott lol.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:34 pm
by Scott
SuperMario wroteCOLONWay too dramatic, Scott lol.
I'm serious.. lol

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:32 pm
by fedro91
The Devil wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLONWay too dramatic, Scott lol.
I'm serious.. lol
Like always :shock: :roll:

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:40 am
by KapG
lol Mike actually got a first for dupuis?

good gawd.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:56 pm
by Nick
he got a 1st and an early 2nd. H2h # matter.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:26 pm
by KapG
WhaT mike got was a ateal of a deal

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:35 pm
by Scott
KapG wroteCOLONWhaT mike got was a ateal of a deal
Draft picks are the most overrated thing in this league by a mile.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:36 pm
by Lee
Yeah I just offered Scott a lot more than this and got turned down.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:36 pm
by MSP4LYFE
Evidently, so is Pascal Dupuis.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:39 pm
by Nick
The Devil wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLONWhaT mike got was a ateal of a deal
Draft picks are the most overrated thing in this league by a mile.
Well if you're impatient and/or believe the next thing is always the better thing....


Waiting on draft picks and letting your system grow works well too...but tearing down and rebuilding isn't as easy as most people seem to think. Going for NHLers when you know what they ARE, instead of risking the incredibly over-stated odds of getting a top line player anywhere in the draft. Even if you are right and the player is top line stuff...it's a couple of years away, and by then it's unlikely the drafter still holds that players rights.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:41 pm
by Chris
So then why is my deal with Kareem a bad one? I'm gaining two potential starters - one who might start this year - and a high-upside defenseman. So in other words, Kareem got a defenseman whose upside is in some doubt, another prospect defenseman drafted from 2011, and a 1st round pick for 2012.

So all in all, I gained upside, a stronger statistical probability that all my players will pan out, and I gained value in a trade where I selected two goaltenders in good shape to become back-ups to starters within a year or less, but I "lose". Interesting how the agenda works around here.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:45 pm
by Scott
When you have stars/good NHLers you can stock the cupboard any time you want to.

/the end

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:47 pm
by Chris
And when you don't, you look for ways to get them. I.e., Ryan McDonagh, Connor Murphy, 2012 1st Round Pick for Dustin Tokarski, Allen York, Martin Marincin.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:20 pm
by Nick
My comment had nothing to do with your trade Chris. IMO a good trade is a good trade, regardless of the team, now there are times when quality is better then quantity, and times when you need the #. However in regards to prospects, there is a 'hockey forum' belief in drafting, that simply doesn't transfer over to building a good team. Could get lucky and have most of your top prospects get in the NHL, could get REALLY lucky and have them in top 4 and top 6 roles (D/F) and starting/backups roles but, nothing is as sure a bet as the NHLer who is already producing or at least playing well (# sometimes trail the play).


I'm not saying Tokarski won't pan out, good WHLer that boy was.


/draft, smhaft

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:35 pm
by Chris
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Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:32 pm
by KapG
Nick wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLONWhaT mike got was a ateal of a deal
Draft picks are the most overrated thing in this league by a mile.
Well if you're impatient and/or believe the next thing is always the better thing....


Waiting on draft picks and letting your system grow works well too...but tearing down and rebuilding isn't as easy as most people seem to think. Going for NHLers when you know what they ARE, instead of risking the incredibly over-stated odds of getting a top line player anywhere in the draft. Even if you are right and the player is top line stuff...it's a couple of years away, and by then it's unlikely the drafter still holds that players rights.

No one is saying you have to actually use the 1st to draft someone. But surely there are better players to use 1sts + on. Dupuis is like 32 and besides shtoi, doesnt realy bring any monster h2h stats to the table.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:02 pm
by MSP4LYFE
Yeah I had Dupuis last season, I ultimately moved him around the deadline because he wasn't good enough to roster on a contending team. There is no way in hell he is worth a 1st rounder in 2012, and a second...No way.

Re: Trade: NJD/TOR - I Dunno Why I'm So Stupid

PostedCOLON Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:01 am
by kyuss
Kezia wroteCOLONYeah I just offered Scott a lot more than this and got turned down.
luckily for you!