MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONAnways I'm finished with the issue, I'm confident the majority are against instituting UFA.
look, i have been on the other side of the fence in similar situations in my league where, as a commish, i found myself dealing with a newcomer trying to twist set things his way.. so i know how
annoying that can result.. having to discuss again over beaten subjects and so on.. hence i can understand you being very reluctant to even seriously consider and discuss such an important changement. However, i can tell you that you should be happy that at least here you're not dealing with some retard that has no idea about how fantasy leagues work and bitch around just for the sake of it.. my purpose is only to analyze deep if indeed unrestricted free agency could not work for this league, since at least another knowledgeable member who seems to have a very good mind for the game (raptactics) strongly suggests otherwise.
As annoying as it may result for you, i still don't think you should act like a deaf even before being presented with a reasoned proposal (something raptactics apparently has been working on). Because that's how you're sounding to me here: like someone biased that has already set his mind on a subject and won't consider with an open mind anything new that could come out on the subject.
kyuss wroteCOLONthat's really something we should not care about.. if any team with cap room has a chance at top UFAs in our league it means for that matter we have the priviledge to be better than the real NHL. And again, talking realism, in real world top players with expiring contract do not stay in bottom feeders.. as much as they don't stay on teams whose cap is full. In our league both these quirks occur at the moment.
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONWhat the hell are you talking about...No one in this league is over the cap to start the season...Some go over in the summer, same rule is applied in the NHL (10% over the cap in the offseason), but during it we are all under, so your second point is moot. No quirks occur at the moment, what you are proposing is to institute one...Further proving the stupidity of this idea.
i am not sure how this is related to what you quoted. I guess i was not able to explain myself.
But anyhow, you can not deny at the moment quirks do occur here:
we don't have UFAs here, we only have RFAs. This brings several consequences, like the fact players with expiring contracts don't lose value even after the season is over.
You're saying UFA would make impending UFAs' value zero.. like that would be any different than what happens in reality:
they get traded at the deadline or their value is pretty much zero once the season is over if they don't get resigned ( and before replying on this, keep reading further, hopefully with an open mind).
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONkyuss wroteCOLONhonestly i can not see how any arguable criterion to reassign UFAs could make it more unrealistic than not having UFAs at all.
Very simple, we have no control over UFA, that alone makes the entire notion unrealistic. Your suggestions about how to disperse UFA players, and on what criterion is unrealistic, and doesn't necessarily fix the issue of parity, which is the entire parameter for your argument.
My parameters for this are fun, realism (ironically) and moreover leaving a fair chance for GMs to help themselves at turning things around.
If a new GM here inherits a team with no assets at all (it was not my case, to be clear; but that could very well happen to someone else in the future), he can do nothing. If he is given nothing, other GMs won't trade him anything of value. So at least in theory he would have to wait for his draftees to turn things around.. like in 10 yrs lol.
You CANNOT just change the entire dynamic of a league one year in, it ruins the player value system we have worked hard to create, and is a slap in the face to the General Managers who built their team a certain way
the intention would be adding free agency without doing all of that. WHo said we should suddenly change the dynamics of the league in one year and not care about GMs previous strategies? It's about trying to add UFA minimizing those damages..
bringing in UFA slowly and under proper rules (read below).
not to mention that is destroys the market for UFA players
actually it would just make the market for UFAs the same as in real NHL.
If you think this creates parity your dead wrong
that would give more of a fair chance to GMs to turn things around. Give back a
chance of parity.
Another important factor that you are carelessly ignoring is that most quality UFA are locked up before July 1, very few actually make it to UFA, the ones that do are generally tier 2 players, or superstars looking for a shitload of money or coming from a poor team. Neither factor can possibly be implemented by UFA. If you like UFA so much join a league that implements it, there are thousands of cheap leagues like em around...
It's not a premature assumption at all, the entire point of UFA is parity, if we don't give the worst teams top dibs what the hell is the point? This argument further proves how far away you are from a rationale and reasonable blueprint, your merely throwing shit at the window, hoping something sticks.
i was sharing my random thoughts on this, i didn't think i had to deal with someone who needed to be presented with a realiable and considered blueprint right from the start.
Today i thought about this and i think this is the basic idea that could make things work:
the new contracts UFAs get in real life would be the final requests their agents would make to our team.
Just like in real life, teams would resign their UFAs accordingly with their cap room.
Some key steps to make it work:
- we would record rosters at the trade deadline.
- impending UFAs could not be traded from the deadline till when they sign their new contracts (in fact, how many times a team trade an impending UFA between season's end and july 1st? at most they trade the rights to talk with that player, no big deal really.. )
- all UFAs signed within July (or whatever date we choose, it's just an example i'm throwing out) can be resigned by their original team if updating his salary that team can stay under the cap
when considering their deadline roster. When the cap for that roster is exceeded, teams can choose which UFAs to release until they get back under the cap (somehow like it works in real life).
Those (together with the ones left unsigned in real life beyond the established date) are the players that would become real UFAs in our league.
This would give a lot of discrection and quite some control to GMs.. we would not be submissive to the fact in real life the impending UFA gets resigned or not by the original team before indeed becoming a UFA. GMs would be the one having to care about having enough space to resign them.
They could decide to keep more cap room for their impending UFAs while entering the playoffs, or they might choose otherwise; and once unable to resign their eventual UFAs, they could still decide who let go and who not.
The trades after the end of the season would still go on as far as all the other players/assets are related, but the cap space teams would gain could only be used to later 'sign' new players (other UFAs), not their former players.
To resign our own UFAs only the cap room available at the trade deadline would count.
Randomness is a terrible idea, and is the furthest thing from realistic, another factor this league prides itself on, authenticity...
you guys don't like randomness? we won't have randomness.. i don't like it either, it was just a possibility (randomness is there in the entry draft already btw) ; no reason to use this to make you sound like the one who wants authenticity above all.. doesn't make sense as long as you don't want anything resembling free agency.
