Quick convo-> what if tie, specifically in SCF

[Mike]

You so naive lol.

Right, I forgot. Everyone's an asshole except you.

[Robin Hood]

You so naive lol.

Right, I forgot. Everyone's an asshole except you.

No one said anything about you Mike. Why you are getting emotional about this is pretty funny haha.

[Scott]

Shiv buddy, where did this attitude come from?

PS India!

[Robin Hood]

PS India!

LOL

[Nick]

Dude, I dunno where that is coming from, but I'm not even the slightest bit worried about me getting or not getting home ice, and how that would potentially impact me.

I simply and honestly believe this is a silly situation, and that there are so many better options. Coming #1 is full of it's own advantages, most notably the match-ups... deciding BBKL-SC champion based on regular season standings seems straight up retarded to me, I only posted this after discussing it with several others -> Most of whom were not as comfortable changing it this year, yourself and Mik seem to be the only GMs that support the current setup extending past this season. I thought it was worth noting and discussing an alternative tie-breaker for the SCF, & not post-hoc to pre-determine who it favours... if a tie happens this year it'll be spoken about with a sour taste, at least IMO.

[Robin Hood]

Dude, I dunno where that is coming from, but I'm not even the slightest bit worried about me getting or not getting home ice, and how that would potentially impact me.

I simply and honestly believe this is a silly situation, and that there are so many better options. Coming #1 is full of it's own advantages, most notably the match-ups... deciding BBKL-SC champion based on regular season standings seems straight up retarded to me, I only posted this after discussing it with several others -> Most of whom were not as comfortable changing it this year, yourself and Mik seem to be the only GMs that support the current setup extending past this season. I thought it was worth noting and discussing an alternative tie-breaker for the SCF, & not post-hoc to pre-determine who it favours... if a tie happens this year it'll be spoken about with a sour taste, at least IMO.

if a tie happens, it would be Scotts win fair and square imo. and given how shorthanded he is with injuries only further accentuates that.

as far as discussing other options, logically i do not think there is a better way to break a tie break than regular standings. in the real nhl, better matchups are given to top seeds as well. but there is an added benefit of home ice. what better way is there to mimic that here? if you find one i will gladly be on board but i can tell you right now, this is the best form because tie breaks cannot really be handled much better. and the only time this "home-ice" advantage takes place is when two teams tie any ways. thats a small yet well deserved benefit to the better teams in the regular season. plain and simple.

[kyuss]

if a tie happens, it would be Scotts win fair and square imo. and given how shorthanded he is with injuries only further accentuates that.

as far as discussing other options, logically i do not think there is a better way to break a tie break than regular standings. in the real nhl, better matchups are given to top seeds as well. but there is an added benefit of home ice. what better way is there to mimic that here? if you find one i will gladly be on board but i can tell you right now, this is the best form because tie breaks cannot really be handled much better. and the only time this "home-ice" advantage takes place is when two teams tie any ways. thats a small yet well deserved benefit to the better teams in the regular season. plain and simple.

well said dude.

Holtby is still as expensive as before though

last thing to add, if the 'home advantage' tie-breaker is taken away in the future, there will be no point anymore in trying to finish 1st overall instead of 2nd overall..

[Arian The Insider]

the goals category could be used as a tiebreaker since in the real nhl the team with the most goals scored in a game wins..

[Robin Hood]

the goals category could be used as a tiebreaker since in the real nhl the team with the most goals scored in a game wins..

in h2h why are goals more valuable than hits? doesn't make sense to me. we're comparing categories week by week, its not an actual game. but the structure of our league and playoffs should mimic the nhl. and in that instance, home ice advantage is a HUGEEEEEEEE factor. game 7 at home is the focus of the list of advantages in any matchup. why shouldn't we have our own form of such an edge in BBKL?

[MSP4LYFE]

the goals category could be used as a tiebreaker since in the real nhl the team with the most goals scored in a game wins..

in h2h why are goals more valuable than hits? doesn't make sense to me. we're comparing categories week by week, its not an actual game. but the structure of our league and playoffs should mimic the nhl. and in that instance, home ice advantage is a HUGEEEEEEEE factor. game 7 at home is the focus of the list of advantages in any matchup. why shouldn't we have our own form of such an edge in BBKL?

Home Ice is an edge, not the determining factor in a matchup. The NHL doesn't award game 7 to the highest seed...Our tiebreak does. The edge is that you face a lower seed in the playoffs, there is no need to add an extra incentive to a higher seed, nor is there any realistic way to incorporate home ice advantage to a fantasy league.

That said, we cannot change the rules now, it had to be done prior to the playoffs, and we failed to do it then.

[Nick]

the goals category could be used as a tiebreaker since in the real nhl the team with the most goals scored in a game wins..

There are a lot of options, goals is interesting one I agree. The only issues with goals is the added value it puts on them-> which I'm not opposed to, just needs to be discussed.


Regarding coming #1 over #2:
If in the same conference you get to face #8 not #7, and an easier path the entire way up to the conference finals.
If in different conference you got the presidents trophy, winning is its own reward... dunno what your thinking the alternative is, why should you be more likely to win the cup if you came #1 then #2?

As it stands we've made winning the presidents trophy into a very large advantage, one that is certainly not mirrored in the NHL... this is not football or basketball where home is a huge advantage. Only 7 times in NHL history has the presidents trophy winner gone on to win the cup, hell they've also lost in the first round 5 times. By the # they are most likely to lose in divisional finals, perhaps we can do something with this:

Round 1 home ice is the tie-breaker -> president trophy upsets are very rare, but this decrease all chance of upsets, and remember... 1/2/3/4 all lost in the east last year..
Round 2 goals is the tie-breaker and home ice the 2nd tie-breaker -> lost of issues I know, just giving this for a stepped example.
Round 3 & Round 4 we consider something else, who knows, maybe home ice really is the best option, but I do not believe it to be true, getting the easier match-up en route is the advantage, and it's a big one.

[Nick]

That said, we cannot change the rules now, it had to be done prior to the playoffs, and we failed to do it then.

Yep, I understand that. Just thought it was worth noting that in this case, a mistake was made that could decide the SCF.

home ice advantage is a HUGEEEEEEEE factor.

You should check the #, because it really is not, at least not in hockey.

[Robin Hood]

home ice advantage is a HUGEEEEEEEE factor.

You should check the #, because it really is not, at least not in hockey.

Nick, I never said the home team decidedly wins every matchup. I said its a huge factor in the sense that every home team GETS the advantage of having home ice. those are two different things.

second your post below makes no sense:

, why should you be more likely to win the cup if you came #1 then #2?

there is a very obvious answer. #1 seeds have home ice for the conference final. thats why.

[MSP4LYFE]

If it weren't for the fact that Scott was down so many man games I would be more inclined to battle this with you, but frankly if Scott ties this matchup he deserved to win...

FTR, my preffered method of breaking a tie would be total stat differential, with the obvious exception of SHTOI (or if we do use SHTOI, round up to the nearest minute).

[Nick]

FTR, my preffered method of breaking a tie would be total stat differential, with the obvious exception of SHTOI (or if we do use SHTOI, round up to the nearest minute).

That is a fucking awesome idea. Check the season totals and standardize each category, then sum the differences !!!! this is the obvious playoff-series tie breaker.

[MSP4LYFE]

there is a very obvious answer. #1 seeds have home ice for the conference final. thats why.

You finished higher than me in the standings, and I was a superior team through the course of a season. Not all seeds are as cut and dry as Scott vs everyone else. Unbalanced scheduling and divisional strength all play into seeding, unless the league mandates a completely balanced conference and division, as well as a perfectly balanced schedule, it is foolish to determine tie breaks by seeding, especially between cross conference teams.

[kyuss]

home ice advantage is a HUGEEEEEEEE factor.

You should check the #, because it really is not, at least not in hockey.

i guess it's close to the relevance of a tie-breaker in our scoring format then

, why should you be more likely to win the cup if you came #1 then #2?

there is a very obvious answer. #1 seeds have home ice for the conference final. thats why.

i guess you meant Stanley Cup final

[MSP4LYFE]

FTR, my preffered method of breaking a tie would be total stat differential, with the obvious exception of SHTOI (or if we do use SHTOI, round up to the nearest minute).

That is a fucking awesome idea. Check the season totals and standardize each category, then sum the differences !!!! this is the obvious playoff-series tie breaker.

I'm surprised no one else suggested it, seems like the obvious tie-break.

P.S. MIAFR, but we already knew that.

[Robin Hood]

there is a very obvious answer. #1 seeds have home ice for the conference final. thats why.

You finished higher than me in the standings, and I was a superior team through the course of a season. Not all seeds are as cut and dry as Scott vs everyone else. Unbalanced scheduling and divisional strength all play into seeding, unless the league mandates a completely balanced conference and division, as well as a perfectly balanced schedule, it is foolish to determine tie breaks by seeding, especially between cross conference teams.

everything you just said points to the fact that SCHEDULING is the issue. not the Tiebreak. The Tiebreak is a perfect system - > higher seeds have an advantage.

If better teams are getting worse seeds then 1) you would beat me in a matchup anyways and 2) the scheduling needs to be addressed. you guys are trying to address the Effect and not the Cause.

[Robin Hood]

P.S. MIAFR, but we already knew that.

its cute how you and nick have little gossiping acronyms like women do