Evander Kane

[kimmer]

Manny malhotra (stud centre) + dan boyle

[Peter]

If pleks was 5 years younger and doing what he does, it'd be a decent deal.

[dave1959]

the ONLY stat that Plekanec is way better in, is face offs.

Thank you for proving my point on your lack of understanding.

Anyways, good luck to you with Kane.

so explain it to me then......oh wise one.

[The BBKL Insider]

Read your PMs old man!

[Robin Hood]

the ONLY stat that Plekanec is way better in, is face offs.

Thank you for proving my point on your lack of understanding.

Anyways, good luck to you with Kane.

so explain it to me then......oh wise one.

Why? You're in my division. You continuing to think like this will only help me kick your ass year after year.

[kimmer]

Shiv is like the only one that brags about pleks value (on how high it is) yet was the only one to ever reqlly hold onto him for ages. His point really about pleks is that he wud be moved only for quality stud pieces like kane etc. Hes made countless posts on his efficiency/stats throughout the past yr to show him up to us.

All in all pleks by NO means a bad player. He imo is considered a champions fantasy asset if healthy (and hes been) but he thinks god shud be offered in exchange for him

[Robin Hood]

Shiv is like the only one that brags about pleks value (on how high it is) yet was the only one to ever reqlly hold onto him for ages. His point really about pleks is that he wud be moved only for quality stud pieces like kane etc. Hes made countless posts on his efficiency/stats throughout the past yr to show him up to us.

All in all pleks by NO means a bad player. He imo is considered a champions fantasy asset if healthy (and hes been) but he thinks god shud be offered in exchange for him

With Plekanec, I've made a run to the BBKL finals in the playoffs and I've had the best record in the Eastern conference in the BBKL regular season, where TOR has Toews and Bergeron and TBL has Crosby, Stamkos and Giroux.

He is the longer serving Penguin for a reason on a team where almost every player is traded.

If you don't see what I see in him that's fine. But I know why he is so valuable.

[dave1959]

ok....I am looking for ASSISTS....Kane has 5

go from there people

[kimmer]

David Legwand (11A) + andrei markov (8A) for kane + corvo

[Bruyns]

Count me in as one of the people who doesn't know H2H well enough to appreciate the godliness of Pleks.

Last season: 33pts 24PIMs 133SOG 2GWG 26 hits 17 blocks 486 FOW 2:06 SHTOI/gm

Outside of FOW there is nothing special here at all and his periphs are pretty underwhelming. The guy is 31 and likely to begin a slow decline over the years as the reigns are handed over to other young up and coming players like Galchenyuk. Don't get me wrong he is a good asset, but to insinuate Dave would have to add to Kane to land Plekanec is just plain nutty to me.

Outside of high FOW why do you think he is so valuable? There are plenty of Cs putting up more offence, PIMs, SOG, hits and blocks.

[The BBKL Insider]

i really like Plek, but i woudln't trade kane for him.

That said, people under-estimate Pleks

[kimmer]

Hence why I said lol. Hes probably not interested in fow/shtoi

[Bruyns]

Shiv is like the only one that brags about pleks value (on how high it is) yet was the only one to ever reqlly hold onto him for ages. His point really about pleks is that he wud be moved only for quality stud pieces like kane etc. Hes made countless posts on his efficiency/stats throughout the past yr to show him up to us.

All in all pleks by NO means a bad player. He imo is considered a champions fantasy asset if healthy (and hes been) but he thinks god shud be offered in exchange for him

With Plekanec, I've made a run to the BBKL finals in the playoffs and I've had the best record in the Eastern conference in the BBKL regular season, where TOR has Toews and Bergeron and TBL has Crosby, Stamkos and Giroux.

He is the longer serving Penguin for a reason on a team where almost every player is traded.

If you don't see what I see in him that's fine. But I know why he is so valuable.

I didn't realize Plekanec single handedly won you games, I would have guessed you had 19 other players contributing to your success. I do think that no one would give you a fair value and he is an integral part of your team so it does make sense you have kept him as long as you have.

[Robin Hood]

Count me in as one of the people who doesn't know H2H well enough to appreciate the godliness of Pleks.

Last season: 33pts 24PIMs 133SOG 2GWG 26 hits 17 blocks 486 FOW 2:06 SHTOI/gm

Outside of FOW there is nothing special here at all and his periphs are pretty underwhelming. The guy is 31 and likely to begin a slow decline over the years as the reigns are handed over to other young up and coming players like Galchenyuk. Don't get me wrong he is a good asset, but to insinuate Dave would have to add to Kane to land Plekanec is just plain nutty to me.

Outside of high FOW why do you think he is so valuable? There are plenty of Cs putting up more offence, PIMs, SOG, hits and blocks.

See image below. A lot of players people consider "Godly" in this league are remarkably close/slightly better/slightly worse versus Plekanec. There is a MASSIVE bias against Plekanec's name. I would reject Eric Staal, Henrik Sedin, Mikko Koivu, Jason Spezza all for him.

Also, it is stupid to compare Plekanec or Mikko Koivu for example vs a scoring winger like Kane in terms of just stats because that isn't the issue. The issue is replacement value. In a yahoo league, for example, you can drop many players and pick up others and your team wouldn't skip a beat. Why is it in BBKL we don't think like that? How many players can you pick up like Plekanec?? He is a rare, rare mix of categories and that is where his value is.

[Bruyns]

I'll admit bias since I hate MTL even though I did trade for Eller. I sometimes say I have two favourite teams, the Leafs and whoever is playing the Habs.

[kimmer]

Thats actually a very good statline to pad shivs argument. Plek is better than ppl think

[Bruyns]

One thing that table doesn't reflect is I'd wager Plekanec is the most likely to lose his spot as his teams #1C. He is down to under 19MIN a game, which is his lowest in 5 years. The other guys are entrenched as their teams best C whereas I could see Pleks in 3 seasons being a very good 2C who will see a decline in SHTOI and FOW which right now is mainly where his value is derived.

I'm done bashing Shiv's player though, you know what they say about glass houses.

[Nick]

Shiv you write that as if Plek helps you win more than G, Sid or Stammers... which was true for Crosby during our last playoffs when he was injured, and at no other time. Even that wasn't the biggest factor in my playoff loss - not having a starting goalie would be the biggest factor. I'm not even trying to bash Plek, but your point on a deeper playoff run with him leaves out a ton of information to a new GM who has no way of knowing that context.

[dave1959]

http://bbkl.hockey.cbssports.com/player ... :p/scoring?

why would I throw in another player to make this trade???

[Robin Hood]

Count me in as one of the people who doesn't know H2H well enough to appreciate the godliness of Pleks.

Last season: 33pts 24PIMs 133SOG 2GWG 26 hits 17 blocks 486 FOW 2:06 SHTOI/gm

Outside of FOW there is nothing special here at all and his periphs are pretty underwhelming. The guy is 31 and likely to begin a slow decline over the years as the reigns are handed over to other young up and coming players like Galchenyuk. Don't get me wrong he is a good asset, but to insinuate Dave would have to add to Kane to land Plekanec is just plain nutty to me.

Outside of high FOW why do you think he is so valuable? There are plenty of Cs putting up more offence, PIMs, SOG, hits and blocks.

See image below. A lot of players people consider "Godly" in this league are remarkably close/slightly better/slightly worse versus Plekanec. There is a MASSIVE bias against Plekanec's name. I would reject Eric Staal, Henrik Sedin, Mikko Koivu, Jason Spezza all for him.

Also, it is stupid to compare Plekanec or Mikko Koivu for example vs a scoring winger like Kane in terms of just stats because that isn't the issue. The issue is replacement value. In a yahoo league, for example, you can drop many players and pick up others and your team wouldn't skip a beat. Why is it in BBKL we don't think like that? How many players can you pick up like Plekanec?? He is a rare, rare mix of categories and that is where his value is.

This argument btw gives GMs a strategy to build a team..You don't need to sell the farm to acquire a Toews (there are replacement option). You don't need to pay 5 pieces for Sidney Crosby when for example, you can pick up Kunitz and Dupuis. That's how I've built my team without paying for the pieces people drool over.