Hartnell for a C

CAM · Post by **CAM** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:20 pm

Lol. Steve and shiv like so it should happen. Its not like it was a quick rejection. i have pros and cons on that type of deal. Both players are known for inconsistencies and both have strengths in certain periph cats.

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:23 pm

CAM wroteCOLONLol. Steve and shiv like so it should happen. Its not like it was a quick rejection. i have pros and cons on that type of deal. Both players are known for inconsistencies and both have strengths in certain periph cats.

I normally don't support offers like that in public. In this case, I do not think you will find a better Centre than that for Hartnell from anyone else in the league. You even save 0.75M in cap. Two things people in this league rarely do: 1) Trade Cs for Ws straight without an add 2) take on more cap without an add.

Post by **KapG** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:25 pm

So in other words...you need to add

Lol

CAM · Post by **CAM** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:28 pm

Good points Shiv. I will express my own hesitations publicly also. Roy, while getting PP time, seems to be centering third line. He is not above Berglund and Backes on the depth chart. Hartnell is always paired with Giroux with top PP mins. The hits and Pims are nice. So it comes down to giving up hits, SOG, pims for FOW and SHTOI. I am concerned with the depth on St. louis and the amount of ice time available. Hartnell is a top line player. Can you understand my rationale? I will always be respectful when dealing with other Kyle. We have a good history of talks and trades. not gonna nickle and dime. I am just expressing my own personal feelings on the potential deal.

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:31 pm

CAM wroteCOLONGood points Shiv. I will express my own hesitations publicly also. Roy, while getting PP time, seems to be centering third line. He is not above Berglund and Backes on the depth chart. Hartnell is always paired with Giroux with top PP mins. The hits and Pims are nice. So it comes down to giving up hits, SOG, pims for FOW and SHTOI. I am concerned with the depth on St. louis and the amount of ice time available. Hartnell is a top line player. Can you understand my rationale? I will always be respectful when dealing with other Kyle. We have a good history of talks and trades. not gonna nickle and dime. I am just expressing my own personal feelings on the potential deal.

The thing is that when trading a W for a C, almost always will SOG/PIMS/Hits be traded for FOW/SHTOI. It's the tradeoff. But I guess it comes down to your belief in Roy. I think he's still got something to give but he hasn't been there in recent seasons as much as he was in the old days in BUF.

That being said, I'll let you two work it out from here on out if at all. Just my 0.02

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:34 pm

Made my offer ... understand the rejection as well. I'm sure a contender will most likely land Scotty, though.

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:35 pm

SuperMario wroteCOLONJust my 0.02

American or Canadian?

Post by **KapG** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:49 pm

Fartsmell could hit a lil more for my tastes truth be told. Seems a tad soft

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:06 pm

Not that is it worth anything, but I'd easily pass on Roy for Hartnell... 3rd Line Centres aren't worth 1st line h2h wingers. How good the actual player is matters to me as well, not just the # (because the # will fall in line with the play). This BS about being shocked a deal didn't get does, gets old

extensive public offering and commentary seems to have slowed our trades by a fair margin.

Post by **KapG** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:16 pm

Ur opinion. When roys put up his 65 pt season with 500 + fow and stpts to boot people can cry all they want about the new price.

Hsrtnell had a pretty terrible shortened seasln last year too, not off to a very good start this year either...

Post by **The BBKL Insider** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:29 pm

i really dont understand how people consider hartnell a h2h winger?

he doesn't PK, he's a minus player and he tosses about 1 hit per game

when he's not scoring he's totally useless.

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:55 pm

Joe Pavelski is technically a 3rd line center as well ... just sayin'

shooker · Post by **shooker** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:24 am

Nick wroteCOLONNot that is it worth anything, but I'd easily pass on Roy for Hartnell... 3rd Line Centres aren't worth 1st line h2h wingers. How good the actual player is matters to me as well, not just the # (because the # will fall in line with the play). This BS about being shocked a deal didn't get does, gets old extensive public offering and commentary seems to have slowed our trades by a fair margin.

not calling you out in the slightest margin facey, only referring to lack of trades.. Dictated by people consistently wanting a win or because they have because they have bought into bbkl values. I personally take roy over hartnell. I'd ask for an add because of league value though. Roy two years ago was up there with Bergeron for cheap h2h centers, just saying.

Post by **bills09** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:50 am

Roys long injury is my reasoning.

Post by **KapG** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:49 am

roy had one year he was injured and he was STILL ppg during that time.

he's been over 70 + games every season his entire career. Also, for a so called 3rd line C last night he tied for the lead in faceoffs taken with berglund and was on their top pp...

He also has a 4 million dollar cap hit. Not sure why everyones tossing him under the bus? The fuck did hartnell do last year? A whole bunch of fucking nothing, all the while being on the 1st line. Also, iirc they are around a similar age, problem is that Hartnells played a physical game his entire career which has surely taken its toll on him. He was also injured last year himself! Is he gonna start having injury issues now all of a sudden for the rest of his career? It wouldn't surprise me in the least what with the way he has always played...

when did Centres have their value drop btw? Everytime I go fucking looking for one people want fucking murder just because the player is a C....

now, have trades really even slowed that much? I made like 20 this offseason lol (maybe not 20 actually...but a lot...)

Post by **Arian The Insider** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:15 am

Derek Roy is good stuff. Would grab him if my team was good enough to do anything.

CAM · Post by **CAM** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:18 am

I also think hes good stuff, hence the stress of making a deal or not. Tough one.

Post by **KapG** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:25 am

Kyle dont take anything im saying in any thread about hartnell too seriously. im just getting tired of people talking smack about roy and bigging up hartnells game all huge like he doesn't have issues and concerns surrounding him as well!

CAM · Post by **CAM** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:25 am

Lol, i agree. I know the downfalls of both players. I am well aware of Hartnell's injuries and missed gp. That is part of the allure i guess knowing that he is paired with such a "supposed stud" in Giroux. I dont want to upset Nick but I don't think Giroux is in that top category of elite players in league. Philly will get going soon though.

Post by **KapG** » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:26 am

Giroux is a tad overrated imo.

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