OTT/BUF

[The BBKL Insider]

I see all sides to this trade

but i dont really care

[Peter]

I'm gunna go out and say I think bbkl is critiquing phion too harshly, the guy may have completely blown up his team, and is intentionally bombing what was before a borderline playoff squad, but I think he has a good eye for futures and should be given a little more trust as the manager for his squad.
Already he has had a couple prospects come in and make much larger than expected impacts in Gallagher and Bennett, has basically stocked up all his assets into first round draft picks (ffucking 12 of them), which even value wise isn't a terrible thing, and if he scouts well he can make even more of that, especially with a stacked draft class such as 2013.
Actually the biggest critique I'd give to Phion is the fact that his team isn't bad enough! He might jump out the bottom 5 picks, which would really suck for him, although there is arguably 7 or 8 guys talented enough to be considered top 3-5 guys in an average draft year.
Overall though, with Gallager, Bennett, Morgan Rielly, 12 first rounders, and a bunch prospects worth mentioning, I'd argue he hasn't even lost that much value on his overall squad, and is clearly taking the 'fun' route, which is the sign of him wanting to stick with his team and make the best of it. In another year or two i really don't see Phion's team being as much of a shitshow as you guys think he is on track to making it.
On the contrary I think if you were to boot him another gm would poorly manage his assets, because he has clearly scouted and understands his teams dynamics better than a random gm would.

[Phion Keneuf]

Lol... I didn't mean to cause all this by doing a pretty minor deal...

I liked Jankowski last year at the draft, he reminded me about Colborne a lot. But I liked him as a 2nd rounder, and that's how I value him. (Early 2nd/possibly late 1st).
In all fairness, Billy wanted Brad Ross instead and I declined that. Jankowski might have a higher ceiling (debated), but Ross has a much higher chance of becoming an NHL player, even if his offense doesn't translate.

I was looking to acquire cap from old IR'd players, but the cost was a 2nd+. For the slight upgrade from a 2nd to Janko I was able to get more cap, games played, and a center. All of which I needed.

I also got some more depth games played from Bollig.

I honestly don't see how this is a destructive cycle. What would be destructive is if I miss the minimum GP and get my pick moved down substantially, or if my team wouldn't be cap compliant when my guys come off IR.

[armandtanzarian]

Hes got er figured out. Knows a hell of a lot more about prospects than i do so i cannot comment.

[The BBKL Insider]

ya, this deal shouldn't be a considered a bad deal


Jokinen sucks, and Jako is a long shot

meh

[Phion Keneuf]

As to me blowing up a playoff team, it wasnt my team, I didn't build it.

It's much "funner" creating my own team from scratch and it makes future success even better.
Not to mention I had no picks in the first 2 rounds and only one first next year. I love following prospects so that's a big part of the experience for me

[Lee]

I blew up my team as much as you can to a pile of crap.

[armandtanzarian]

I blew up my team as much as you can to a pile of crap.

Your team was probably the worst team in the history of BBKL and you actually have assets and decent players now. You should be proud of what you have done to this point.

[kimmer]

lol nick relax phions prospect/1st rounder pool is stacked. jankowski for olli isnt a bad swap lol

[Phion Keneuf]

I blew up my team as much as you can to a pile of crap.

What did you start off with?

[Lee]

A couple of my own moves in here, but this is pretty much it:

2010/2011 Roster Submission thread:

Philadelphia Flyers - Starting lineup and extras:

Scott Parse (900k) - Jochen Hecht (3.525) - Dan Sexton (750k)
Alex Kotalik (3) - Kris Draper (1.58333) - Mark Recchi (1.95)
Victor Oreskovich (575k)- John Mitchell (725k) - David Moss (1.3)
Richard Clune (5225k) - Zach Stortini ( 700k) - N/A
- Adam Mair (UFA) -

ex Darcy Tucker (UFA)

Brian Campbell (7.142875) - Jeff Schultz (2.75)
Bryan McCabe (5.75) - Craig Rivet (3.5)
Wade Redden (6.5) - Jeff Finger (3.5)

ex none

Hannu Toivonen (550k)
Martin Gerber (500k)

ex Vesa Toskala (UFA), Wade Dubielewicz (UFA)

Philadelphia salary total: 45723708
Cap Space: 13.9 mil

LTIR:
Josh Harding (1.2)
Kurt Sauer (1.75)

Philadelphia Flyers - Waiver ELIGIBLE Players:


Philadelphia Flyers - Waiver EXEMPT Players:
Ryan Potulny
Dana Tyrell
Stephane Chaput
David Desharnais
Felix Lefrancois
Sam Carrick
Ryan Bourque
Andrew Crescenzi
Kaspars Daugavins
Stefan Della Rovere
Jeremy Morin
Corey Cowick
Brad Ross
Brendan Ranford
Craig Cunningham
Stefan Legein
Jerry D'Amigo
Francois Bouchard
Kyle Palmieri
Michael Stone
Simon Danis-Pepin
Vladimir Mihalik
Sean Sullivan
Tyler Eckford
Dylan Reese
Mathieu Brodeur
Mark Alt
Austin Levi
Ryan Button
Danny Richmond
Tyson Sexsmith
Ben Scrivens
Cedrick Desjardins
Mac Carruth
Jussi Rynnas

[The BBKL Insider]

I blew up my team as much as you can to a pile of crap.

What did you start off with?

oh, his team was trash

[Lee]

A note - I had Logan Couture, traded him for Morin, Ross 1st and 2nd... this was before he played a game.. Pavel Kubina was my best player

[Lee]

I was seriously Shiv like in my first year... Here's the roster submission for the following year.

Loui Eriksson 4250000 - Andy McDonald 4700000 - Teddy Purcell 2362500
Matt Moulson 3133333 - David Desharnais 850000 - Jussi Jokinen 3000000
Bobby Butler 1075000 - Marcel Goc 1700000 - Joel Ward 3000000
PA Parenteau 1250000 - Ryan Shannon 625000 - Scott Parse 900000
Marek Svatos UFA - Joakim Lindstrom 600000

Marc-Edouard Vlasic 3100000 - Ian White 2875000
Ron Hainsey 4500000 - Anton Volchenkov 4250000
Steve Montador 2750000 - Steve Eminger 800000
Anton Stralman UFA

Ondrej Pavelec 1150000
Chris Mason 1850000

LTIR (1) : Mason Raymond 2550000
Replacement: Scott Parse 900000

Total Cap: 51,570,833

2011/2012 Adirondack Phantoms (Signed)
Centers (11) :
Byron Froese
Tyler Johnson
Marek Viedensky
Shawn Matthias
Mattias Sjögren
Jamie Arniel
Maxime Macenauer
Greg Nemisz
Kaspars Daugavins
Andy Miele
Brock Trotter

Wingers (6) :
Ryan Bourque
Craig Cunningham
Carter Camper
Francois Bouchard
John McCarthy
Jason Akeson

Defense (7) :
Ryan Button
Philip Samuelsson
Brett Ponich
Mark Cundari
Brandon Manning
Mark Mitera
Korbinian Holzer

G (4) :
Cedrick Desjardins
Iiro Tarkki
Edward Pasquale
Chris Carrozzi

2011/2012 Trenton Titans (Unsigned)
Centers (3) :
Blake Coleman
Tony Cameranesi
Philip-Michael Devos

Wingers (5):
Brendan Gallagher
Brendan Ranford
Josh Shalla
Josh Nicholls
Ondrej Palat

D (5) :
Brenden Kichton
William Wrenn
Henrik Tommernes
Austin Levi
Max Everson

G (2) :
Mac Carruth
Fredrik Pettersson - Wentzel

Total signed players: 50
Total unsigned players: 17 ( 15 minors, 2 NHLers)
Total players: 67
I have no waiver eligible players outside of my main roster.

[Peter]

A couple of my own moves in here, but this is pretty much it:

2010/2011 Roster Submission thread:

Philadelphia Flyers - Starting lineup and extras:

Scott Parse (900k) - Jochen Hecht (3.525) - Dan Sexton (750k)
Alex Kotalik (3) - Kris Draper (1.58333) - Mark Recchi (1.95)
Victor Oreskovich (575k)- John Mitchell (725k) - David Moss (1.3)
Richard Clune (5225k) - Zach Stortini ( 700k) - N/A
- Adam Mair (UFA) -

ex Darcy Tucker (UFA)

Brian Campbell (7.142875) - Jeff Schultz (2.75)
Bryan McCabe (5.75) - Craig Rivet (3.5)
Wade Redden (6.5) - Jeff Finger (3.5)

ex none

Hannu Toivonen (550k)
Martin Gerber (500k)

ex Vesa Toskala (UFA), Wade Dubielewicz (UFA)

Philadelphia salary total: 45723708
Cap Space: 13.9 mil

LTIR:
Josh Harding (1.2)
Kurt Sauer (1.75)

Philadelphia Flyers - Waiver ELIGIBLE Players:


Philadelphia Flyers - Waiver EXEMPT Players:
Ryan Potulny
Dana Tyrell
Stephane Chaput
David Desharnais
Felix Lefrancois
Sam Carrick
Ryan Bourque
Andrew Crescenzi
Kaspars Daugavins
Stefan Della Rovere
Jeremy Morin
Corey Cowick
Brad Ross
Brendan Ranford
Craig Cunningham
Stefan Legein
Jerry D'Amigo
Francois Bouchard
Kyle Palmieri
Michael Stone
Simon Danis-Pepin
Vladimir Mihalik
Sean Sullivan
Tyler Eckford
Dylan Reese
Mathieu Brodeur
Mark Alt
Austin Levi
Ryan Button
Danny Richmond
Tyson Sexsmith
Ben Scrivens
Cedrick Desjardins
Mac Carruth
Jussi Rynnas

Damn, your team was even worst than mine when I started. wow.

[Phion Keneuf]

A couple of my own moves in here, but this is pretty much it:

2010/2011 Roster Submission thread:

Philadelphia Flyers - Starting lineup and extras:

Scott Parse (900k) - Jochen Hecht (3.525) - Dan Sexton (750k)
Alex Kotalik (3) - Kris Draper (1.58333) - Mark Recchi (1.95)
Victor Oreskovich (575k)- John Mitchell (725k) - David Moss (1.3)
Richard Clune (5225k) - Zach Stortini ( 700k) - N/A
- Adam Mair (UFA) -

ex Darcy Tucker (UFA)

Brian Campbell (7.142875) - Jeff Schultz (2.75)
Bryan McCabe (5.75) - Craig Rivet (3.5)
Wade Redden (6.5) - Jeff Finger (3.5)

ex none

Hannu Toivonen (550k)
Martin Gerber (500k)

ex Vesa Toskala (UFA), Wade Dubielewicz (UFA)

Philadelphia salary total: 45723708
Cap Space: 13.9 mil

LTIR:
Josh Harding (1.2)
Kurt Sauer (1.75)

Philadelphia Flyers - Waiver ELIGIBLE Players:


Philadelphia Flyers - Waiver EXEMPT Players:
Ryan Potulny
Dana Tyrell
Stephane Chaput
David Desharnais
Felix Lefrancois
Sam Carrick
Ryan Bourque
Andrew Crescenzi
Kaspars Daugavins
Stefan Della Rovere
Jeremy Morin
Corey Cowick
Brad Ross
Brendan Ranford
Craig Cunningham
Stefan Legein
Jerry D'Amigo
Francois Bouchard
Kyle Palmieri
Michael Stone
Simon Danis-Pepin
Vladimir Mihalik
Sean Sullivan
Tyler Eckford
Dylan Reese
Mathieu Brodeur
Mark Alt
Austin Levi
Ryan Button
Danny Richmond
Tyson Sexsmith
Ben Scrivens
Cedrick Desjardins
Mac Carruth
Jussi Rynnas

What the fuck? Haha that's terrible

[kyuss]

Damn, your team was even worst than mine when I started. wow.

yeah, no doubts, i don't know how different it was exactly compared with what's been posted, but it was clearly worse than the one you (and me, too) inherited, that's for sure.


Now, to go back on topic...

i don't know what the problem is supposed to be with this deal.

I don't like it, but we have seen much worse deals, and that's without factoring in Phion did it out of necessity.

[kimmer]

lee fucking loves jochen hecht

[The BBKL Insider]

I was seriously Shiv like in my first year... Here's the roster submission for the following year.

Loui Eriksson 4250000 - Andy McDonald 4700000 - Teddy Purcell 2362500
Matt Moulson 3133333 - David Desharnais 850000 - Jussi Jokinen 3000000
Bobby Butler 1075000 - Marcel Goc 1700000 - Joel Ward 3000000
PA Parenteau 1250000 - Ryan Shannon 625000 - Scott Parse 900000
Marek Svatos UFA - Joakim Lindstrom 600000

Marc-Edouard Vlasic 3100000 - Ian White 2875000
Ron Hainsey 4500000 - Anton Volchenkov 4250000
Steve Montador 2750000 - Steve Eminger 800000
Anton Stralman UFA

Ondrej Pavelec 1150000
Chris Mason 1850000

LTIR (1) : Mason Raymond 2550000
Replacement: Scott Parse 900000

Total Cap: 51,570,833

2011/2012 Adirondack Phantoms (Signed)
Centers (11) :
Byron Froese
Tyler Johnson
Marek Viedensky
Shawn Matthias
Mattias Sjögren
Jamie Arniel
Maxime Macenauer
Greg Nemisz
Kaspars Daugavins
Andy Miele
Brock Trotter

Wingers (6) :
Ryan Bourque
Craig Cunningham
Carter Camper
Francois Bouchard
John McCarthy
Jason Akeson

Defense (7) :
Ryan Button
Philip Samuelsson
Brett Ponich
Mark Cundari
Brandon Manning
Mark Mitera
Korbinian Holzer

G (4) :
Cedrick Desjardins
Iiro Tarkki
Edward Pasquale
Chris Carrozzi

2011/2012 Trenton Titans (Unsigned)
Centers (3) :
Blake Coleman
Tony Cameranesi
Philip-Michael Devos

Wingers (5):
Brendan Gallagher
Brendan Ranford
Josh Shalla
Josh Nicholls
Ondrej Palat

D (5) :
Brenden Kichton
William Wrenn
Henrik Tommernes
Austin Levi
Max Everson

G (2) :
Mac Carruth
Fredrik Pettersson - Wentzel

Total signed players: 50
Total unsigned players: 17 ( 15 minors, 2 NHLers)
Total players: 67
I have no waiver eligible players outside of my main roster.

YOU fucked that up didn't u

[Lee]

players

YOU fucked that up didn't u

Not at all. I'm doing better with my current team than I was with that one.