VAN/PIT

[shooker]

koivu has to be the most overrated player in bbkl. Fair deal here imo

Its odd though as in real life I think koivu and L Eriksson are the most underrated players in the nhl. I think with Suter and Parise going to Minny that will change for mikko this year, no idea when loui gets any credit.

[Shep]

Shiv Rapes IMO. True #1 C with a ton of nice wingers to choose from, for a #2 Dman.

Edler is easily a #1 in BBKL bro. In fact, I'd say he is a Top 5 fantasy d-man. I challenge you to name 5 d-men worth owning ahead of him for the upcoming season.

Weber, Byfuglien, Girardi, Chara, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Letang, Kronwall, Doughty

You get the point.

[KapG]

Shiv Rapes IMO. True #1 C with a ton of nice wingers to choose from, for a #2 Dman.

Edler is easily a #1 in BBKL bro. In fact, I'd say he is a Top 5 fantasy d-man. I challenge you to name 5 d-men worth owning ahead of him for the upcoming season.

Weber, Byfuglien, Girardi, Chara, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Letang, Kronwall, Doughty

You get the point.

Subban

[Robin Hood]

Shiv Rapes IMO. True #1 C with a ton of nice wingers to choose from, for a #2 Dman.

Edler is easily a #1 in BBKL bro. In fact, I'd say he is a Top 5 fantasy d-man. I challenge you to name 5 d-men worth owning ahead of him for the upcoming season.

Weber, Byfuglien, Girardi, Chara, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Letang, Kronwall, Doughty

You get the point.

Subban

LOL you guys are nuts.

Letang and Pietrangelo are the only ones more valuable than Edler on that list to a team trying to win this year.

[Shep]

Shiv Rapes IMO. True #1 C with a ton of nice wingers to choose from, for a #2 Dman.

Edler is easily a #1 in BBKL bro. In fact, I'd say he is a Top 5 fantasy d-man. I challenge you to name 5 d-men worth owning ahead of him for the upcoming season.

Weber, Byfuglien, Girardi, Chara, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Letang, Kronwall, Doughty

You get the point.

Subban

LOL you guys are nuts.

Letang and Pietrangelo are the only ones more valuable than Edler on that list to a team trying to win this year.

Pietrangelo I almost didn't put on. I am only looking at the stats.

[Robin Hood]

Weber, Byfuglien, Girardi, Chara, Karlsson, Pietrangelo, Phaneuf, Letang, Kronwall, Doughty.

Letang and Pietrangelo are the only ones more valuable than Edler on that list to a team trying to win this year.

Pietrangelo I almost didn't put on. I am only looking at the stats.

Pietrangelo's a no brainer when you look at the numbers. Also, Letang and Edler put up Weber-like stats for half the cap-hit which is the invaluable part. All the d-men you mentioned are sick. Most of them just carry unreal price tags.

[Shep]

Salary makes no difference to me. There is so much cap space to go around, it's always an after thought.

Stats. Stats. Stats. Then salary if I have to.

[Robin Hood]

Salary makes no difference to me. There is so much cap space to go around, it's always an after thought.

Stats. Stats. Stats. Then salary if I have to.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

[Nick]

I have Weber, and 15.96M in cap space, sorry who is more valuable, him or Edler?

But to be clear, I'm basing my evaluation on the player, and not just the numbers - Edler is not in THAT tier of dman.

[Robin Hood]

I have Weber, and 15.96M in cap space, sorry who is more valuable, him or Edler?

You also have no wingers. Talk to me when your team is a Top 3 Contender (not a knock btw because you can easily be a Top 3 Contender - your team has unreal assets and IMO could be made unstoppable by 2-3 trades to acquire depth).

But here, I'll add a caveat:

Every contender has 3-5 High Cap Players. However, these high-cap players make it very difficult to maintain dominance throughout the lineup. I'd much rather have Edler than Weber because of this because stats are near identical with an edge to Weber of course but worth spending 4M more in cap? That's an entire elite Wingers worth of cap i.e. Chris Kunitz.

Of course, this "Trade-Off" is non-existent to a team that is still in the process of building. I.e. Weber long-term is a better asset for a team like Carolina in BBKL to hold than say Edler who's cap goes up. But Letang is easily > Weber even long term because his cap hit is amazing for a few more years.

[Robin Hood]

Also - Giroux is your most valuable asset ahead of Crosby and Stamkos and Weber due to this fact.

[Nick]

Just full of over-statements as per usual.

[Shep]

Salary makes no difference to me. There is so much cap space to go around, it's always an after thought.

Stats. Stats. Stats. Then salary if I have to.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Shiv is the smartest man in the world and if you don't think the same as him, you may as well perform seppuku on yourself.

[Robin Hood]

Salary makes no difference to me. There is so much cap space to go around, it's always an after thought.

Stats. Stats. Stats. Then salary if I have to.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Shiv is the smartest man in the world and if you don't think the same as him, you may as well perform seppuku on yourself.

+1.

[MSP4LYFE]

Salary makes no difference to me. There is so much cap space to go around, it's always an after thought.

Stats. Stats. Stats. Then salary if I have to.

No offense, but this is an incredibly asinine statement; I hope you are kidding.

[kimmer]

I can name at least 10 centers that I would have rather than M.Koivu yet I can't even name 4 defenceman I would rather have than Edler. Edler's stats are VERY similar to Weber's and there is no way in the world M.Koivu would be able to fetch anything near Shea Weber..I like it for Kareem.

I'm genuinely shocked that you are the only one who likes this trade for me, I think I won this deal myself.

bcools is the most non-lying and direct person to talk to when evaluating/asking for an opinion on a trade. Looking at all angles minus the intangibles of having a guy like Mikko on ur team, the win does go to you Kareem, and even negating the fact that centres > D in terms of general value of a trade, Edler should win the stat battle on a majority given night.

[shooker]

I can name at least 10 centers that I would have rather than M.Koivu yet I can't even name 4 defenceman I would rather have than Edler. Edler's stats are VERY similar to Weber's and there is no way in the world M.Koivu would be able to fetch anything near Shea Weber..I like it for Kareem.

I'm genuinely shocked that you are the only one who likes this trade for me, I think I won this deal myself.

bcools is the most non-lying and direct person to talk to when evaluating/asking for an opinion on a trade. Looking at all angles minus the intangibles of having a guy like Mikko on ur team, the win does go to you Kareem, and even negating the fact that centres > D in terms of general value of a trade, Edler should win the stat battle on a majority given night.

Oh gooker likes the deal for Kareem... All of the sudden Shivs side looks better

Troll

[kimmer]

I can name at least 10 centers that I would have rather than M.Koivu yet I can't even name 4 defenceman I would rather have than Edler. Edler's stats are VERY similar to Weber's and there is no way in the world M.Koivu would be able to fetch anything near Shea Weber..I like it for Kareem.

I'm genuinely shocked that you are the only one who likes this trade for me, I think I won this deal myself.

bcools is the most non-lying and direct person to talk to when evaluating/asking for an opinion on a trade. Looking at all angles minus the intangibles of having a guy like Mikko on ur team, the win does go to you Kareem, and even negating the fact that centres > D in terms of general value of a trade, Edler should win the stat battle on a majority given night.

Oh gooker likes the deal for Kareem... All of the sudden Shivs side looks better

Troll

you shouldnt have put that word "Troll" on at the end, it almost makes it look like if you haven't, you'd been afraid to suspect that I'd take the aforementioned msg personally and not take it as a trolling statement! - thus making it less trolley