Trade: ANA-DET

[kyuss]

Sigh

Goalies ain't cheap, am I right?

http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?t=10416

you might want to compare the comments you got after that trade and after this trade.

[Shoalzie]

I gave up Clarke MacArthur for Scriven and Fasth last year.

[Shoalzie]

Sigh

Goalies ain't cheap, am I right?

http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?t=10416

you might want to compare the comments you got after that trade and after this trade.

Smith is 33 and the Coyotes stink but I don't have to worry about who their starter is this year and the immediate future. I can at least talk to teams about swapping goalies when I have an actual starter to work with.

Dubnyk was washing out in Edmonton and Bryz didn't stick in Edmonton. He had a decent run with the Wild but they didn't keep him. I'm going to bet that I get more games out of Smith than I got out Bryzgalov.

[kyuss]

I would hope so, considering you gave up much more to get Smith than Bryz (Torres never even played for my team btw).

And anyway, the comments on the Bryz deal should tell you that it was not supposed to be an unbalanced deal back then.

[Arian The Insider]

Eichel* was a generational talent. And with Bennett & Ekblad developing, that pick could be the 10th to 15th overall pick.

Lol, two players (one of which isn't an NHLer yet) are gonna move a perennial bottom 2 team up 8-13 spots in 2 seasons? You raped a bottom team for a likely top 3 pick, no need to try to make it look like anything else.

[Shoalzie]

If I'm still picking top 3 in two years, I'm not doing a good enough job.

[Sensfanjosh]

I'm not sure what choice Scott really had here anyways? Not trade for a goalie and miss GP and be penalized, or trade for a goalie and move Bennett or Ekblad, or move a pick? This is why I, along with Chuck and Lee have been calling for some sort of change to the goalie system in the league, bad teams need to gamble with much more valuable pieces to land a requirement for participating in the league.

[Arian The Insider]

Oh ya, as bad as this trade is, Scott probably didn't have a chance to acquire a goalie because a lot of people like to hold them hostage. I personally would have risked taking the penalty. Cheaper than moving a high end futures asset for Smith.

[Shoalzie]

Teams with good starting goalies would only want a starting goalie in return. I might not have a great piece to offer but I can at least sit at the table now. Nobody with a stable goalie situation would want to trade out of that stability unless they got some insane overpayment but they'd have to go find another goalie. It's different finding a center or a defensemen...there's plenty of those out there. There's only so many goalies to go around.

[Matthew]

Eichel* was a generational talent. And with Bennett & Ekblad developing, that pick could be the 10th to 15th overall pick.

Lol, two players (one of which isn't an NHLer yet) are gonna move a perennial bottom 2 team up 8-13 spots in 2 seasons? You raped a bottom team for a likely top 3 pick, no need to try to make it look like anything else.

I am a bottom team. Maybe everyone else shouldnt have been demanding Bennett from him for their unproven goaltenders? Markets dictate.

But yeah, i do think he will begin to move up the standings if he holds onto those 2 players.

[Shoalzie]

Oh ya, as bad as this trade is, Scott probably didn't have a chance to acquire a goalie because a lot of people like to hold them hostage. I personally would have risked taking the penalty. Cheaper than moving a high end futures asset for Smith.

Hong lost a 1st round pick and a waiver pick when he missed a few years ago. Granted, his pick wasn't in the lottery.

[Arian The Insider]

Eichel* was a generational talent. And with Bennett & Ekblad developing, that pick could be the 10th to 15th overall pick.

Lol, two players (one of which isn't an NHLer yet) are gonna move a perennial bottom 2 team up 8-13 spots in 2 seasons? You raped a bottom team for a likely top 3 pick, no need to try to make it look like anything else.

I am a bottom team. Maybe everyone else shouldnt have been demanding Bennett from him for their unproven goaltenders? Markets dictate.

But yeah, i do think he will begin to move up the standings if he holds onto those 2 players.

You're right, they shouldn't have demanded Bennett. The goalie minimum should be changed so bottom teams don't have to give up valuable assets just to avoid a fine.

[Shoalzie]

To counter all of the Eichel talk...it wasn't like Price was traded for Eichel straight up. Chuck gave up the Montreal system for the Carolina system and Eichel. I doubt just Eichel would've been enough to get Price.

[kyuss]

I'm not sure what choice Scott really had here anyways? Not trade for a goalie and miss GP and be penalized, or trade for a goalie and move Bennett or Ekblad, or move a pick? This is why I, along with Chuck and Lee have been calling for some sort of change to the goalie system in the league..

btw, that's been under discussion inside the CC, and since Scott has full access to the CC board he should know reducing GGP minimum is something that has been brought up and a real possibility.

[kyuss]

To counter all of the Eichel talk...it wasn't like Price was traded for Eichel straight up. Chuck gave up the Montreal system for the Carolina system and Eichel.

in fact I think comments were that Chuck killed that deal

[Matthew]

41 gp doesnt seem like that difficult of a target to hit. does anyone currently own 2 starters other than Mike, who owns a starter and a very unproven starter in Jones, and possibly chuck, depending what happens wiht lack or miller?

[Matthew]

To counter all of the Eichel talk...it wasn't like Price was traded for Eichel straight up. Chuck gave up the Montreal system for the Carolina system and Eichel.

in fact I think comments were that Chuck killed that deal

nah. 1 center + carolina does not equal price. price controls 4 categories. 18 skaters control 12 categories. eichel would never be worth 4 categories alone.

The reason chuck killed is because he was able to flip Carolina for Vancouver right away.

[Sensfanjosh]

The issue is a lot of teams have a 1a 1b type situation and injuries etc make goalies unpredictable, again I ask all those attacking Scott how they would have approached this differently?

[KapG]

Eichel* was a generational talent. And with Bennett & Ekblad developing, that pick could be the 10th to 15th overall pick.

Lol, two players (one of which isn't an NHLer yet) are gonna move a perennial bottom 2 team up 8-13 spots in 2 seasons? You raped a bottom team for a likely top 3 pick, no need to try to make it look like anything else.

No kidding.

These long drawn out explanations are a bit ridiculous lol. Everyone knows you pulled a rabit out of the hat.

[KapG]

Eichel* was a generational talent. And with Bennett & Ekblad developing, that pick could be the 10th to 15th overall pick.

Lol, two players (one of which isn't an NHLer yet) are gonna move a perennial bottom 2 team up 8-13 spots in 2 seasons? You raped a bottom team for a likely top 3 pick, no need to try to make it look like anything else.

I am a bottom team. Maybe everyone else shouldnt have been demanding Bennett from him for their unproven goaltenders? Markets dictate.

But yeah, i do think he will begin to move up the standings if he holds onto those 2 players.

You're right, they shouldn't have demanded Bennett. The goalie minimum should be changed so bottom teams don't have to give up valuable assets just to avoid a fine.

I agree.

Hate that Scott has to pay so much for a mediocre at best goalie