[WAIVERS] Place Claims Here - (No FA Claims)

[MSP4LYFE]

You must make the roster space and cap room in the meantime.. no sense in making the claim if you cannot afford the player or have the roster spot..

Parenteau to minors (waiver exempt) boom, room made...

its a post-hoc move to make room... time & sequencing matters..


but i guess its the first time?

I wasn't aware the cap room needed to be cleared prior or soon after making a FA claim, once notified I cleared the cap room immediately, it's not like I went out and made a trade (post hoc), I had the means to make room from the beginning, I was merely unsure of the order in which it had to be done.

[MSP4LYFE]

Nashville Predators were successful in there claim for Jamie Lundmark from Montreal Canadians

Toronto Maple Leafs were successful in there claim for Erik Ersberg from CHI

Phoenix Coyotes were successful in there claim for Brian Sutherby from TOR

Philadelphia Flyers were successful in there claim for Jeff Woywitka from PHX



Waiver Priority's 2010 - 2011
1. Phoenix Coyotes
2. New York Islanders
3. Philadelphia Flyers
4. Atlanta Thrashers
5. Dallas Stars
6. Nashville Predators
7. Minnesota Wild
8. Columbus Blue Jackets
9. Edmonton Oilers
10. Detroit Red Wings
11. Colorado Avalanche
12. Buffalo Sabres
13. Toronto Maple Leafs
14. Anaheim Ducks
15. Tampa Bay Lightning
16. Calgary Flames
17. Carolina Hurricanes
18. Washington Capitals
19. Florida Panthers
20. Montreal Canadiens
21. Chicago Blackhawks
22. Pittsburgh Penguins
23. New York Rangers
24. Vancouver Canucks
25. San Jose Sharks
26. St. Louis Blues
27. Ottawa Senators
28. Los Angeles Kings
29. Boston Bruins
30. New Jersey Devils

If the above claims were sucessful, those teams need to move to the bottom of the waiver order, as stated in the CBA paragraph two, sub section seven, part three:

2-7-3 : Once a team has successfully claimed a player they will move to the bottom of the waiver order.

[armandtanzarian]

Awesome...so now we can break the salary cap if we like as long as if someone notices you fix it later. we are now allowed to trade for someone that puts you over the cap as long as you deal with it before the next roster submission. real nhl like.

If i never brought it up nothing would have been done till next roster submission. you could just sit there being over the cap which is one of our major rules, and figure out what you want to do. maybe someone else gets hurt and you got a backup waiting...Total BS The rule is simple for us and the NHL at no time must a team be over the salary cap. if teams are being forced to put players on waivers for putting themm in the minors without documentation then you cant allow a team to be over the cap, then once someone catches it allow them to try and fix it. we are beyond that. if other teams are getting fines for violations then this is a violation of the salary cap, therefore my claim would be the legal one.

[MSP4LYFE]

Awesome...so now we can break the salary cap if we like as long as if someone notices you fix it later. we are now allowed to trade for someone that puts you over the cap as long as you deal with it before the next roster submission. real nhl like.

If i never brought it up nothing would have been done till next roster submission. you could just sit there being over the cap which is one of our major rules, and figure out what you want to do. maybe someone else gets hurt and you got a backup waiting...Total BS The rule is simple for us and the NHL at no time must a team be over the salary cap. if teams are being forced to put players on waivers for putting themm in the minors without documentation then you cant allow a team to be over the cap, then once someone catches it allow them to try and fix it. we are beyond that. if other teams are getting fines for violations then this is a violation of the salary cap, therefore my claim would be the legal one.

You are comparing apples and oranges...Big difference between purposely breaking a rule, and not adhering to a rule you never knew existed, furthermore I had the means to make room from the get go, and being over the cap during an off period is very different from just being over the cap..I don't see why I should be penalized for breaking a rule I didn't know existed...And it's not like there is precedence for this matter, we have given others the benefit of the doubt before, this should be no different.

[armandtanzarian]

Im on my stupid phone so i cant type much. I am not saying you should be fined, I am saying you shouldn't be allowed to make the claim if it put you over the cap which it did. How can you say the rule never existed? Its the salary cap. i know your move had no advantagious outcomes, but it is still a rule. when this happened last year when someone made atrade that put them over the cap the deal was voided. that was in the middle of a week as well. How is this any different?

Whether intentional or by accident, you made a mistake in your otherwise exceptional record keeping by not ensuring you had proper cap space before signing a waiver eligible player that put you over. For that reason alone, the claim needs to be voided. We are way past leniancy and adding subjectivity to such a simple and important rule as, AT NO TIME SHALL A TEAM BE ABOVE THE SALARY CAP OR BELOW THE CAP FLOOR.

[MSP4LYFE]

Im on my stupid phone so i cant type much. I am not saying you should be fined, I am saying you shouldn't be allowed to make the claim if it put you over the cap which it did. How can you say the rule never existed? Its the salary cap. i know your move had no advantagious outcomes, but it is still a rule. when this happened last year when someone made atrade that put them over the cap the deal was voided. that was in the middle of a week as well. How is this any different?

Whether intentional or by accident, you made a mistake in your otherwise exceptional record keeping by not ensuring you had proper cap space before signing a waiver eligible player that put you over. For that reason alone, the claim needs to be voided. We are way past leniancy and adding subjectivity to such a simple and important rule as, AT NO TIME SHALL A TEAM BE ABOVE THE SALARY CAP OR BELOW THE CAP FLOOR.

The difference is that I have the means to get under...If a team made a move that put them over the cap, they were notified and if they couldn't make the changes immediately it was voided, I can make the changes IMMEDIATELY, which is why this is a completely different case, and the rules we are debating here were not in place last season, they are new.

[inferno31]

This is my understanding of the situation.

You can make trades, roster call ups and additions that put you in excess of the salary cap or below the floor. You will not be fined if you fix it before a roster submission date. This seems to be the precedent Kareem is referring to. In these situations you can and are allowed to make any necessary adjustments.

When making a waiver claim (or just claiming an fa) however my understanding is different. You must have room at that Immediate moment. The second you click submit for a claim you must have room to add that player. There is no leeway here, as the player isn't on waivers for a 24 hour period, when you click submit that player is yours. He is yours at that exact moment, this isn't setting rosters so there is no roster deadline impact. When you claim someone that isn't on waivers you must be able to accommodate them. Someone catching you making a claim without having necessary room is no different than someone noticing 2 claims in 24 hours. What do you do? You can put a claim in for that 2nd claimed player and they can't do anything about it.

Thats my opinion based on decisions made on the past, and the current situation.

[Nick]

I agree, exactly, with what Neel has said.

[Mash]

with the claiming of a waiver player I feel that if you have the room WHEN THE WINDOW CLOSES on that player it is fine...becasue it is not a first come first serve thing you should be able to make the claim, and then proceed to make the room needed before the 24 window is closed.

Example.

7:30pm Friday - Player A dropped
11:30pm Friday - GM 1 puts a claim on Player A but does not have the room
5:00pm Satuday - GM 1 makes the needed room for Player A and is still winning waiver bid.
7:30pm Saturday - GM 1 is awarded Player A


makes sense.. no?

NOT A RULING just my opinion

[kyuss]

Example #2

7:30pm Friday - Player A dropped
11:30pm Friday - GM 1 puts a claim on Player A but does not have the room
5:00pm Satuday - GM 1 makes the needed room in the 23 men roster for Player A (waiving or not player B) and is still winning waiver bid.
5.05pm Saturday - GM 2 with a better W priority places a claim on player A
7:30pm Saturday - GM 2 is awarded Player A
7.40pm Saturday - GM 3 places a claim on player B, if waived => GM 1 loses player B without getting player A

[Mash]

Example #2

7:30pm Friday - Player A dropped
11:30pm Friday - GM 1 puts a claim on Player A but does not have the room
5:00pm Satuday - GM 1 makes the needed room in the 23 men roster for Player A (waiving or not player B) and is still winning waiver bid.
5.05pm Saturday - GM 2 with a better W priority places a claim on player A
7:30pm Saturday - GM 2 is awarded Player A
7.40pm Saturday - GM 3 places a claim on player B, if waived => GM 1 loses player B without getting player A

guess GM1 should be careful and consider if Player A is really worth it then, eh!

[MSP4LYFE]

Can I get a ruling on this, please?

[Lee]

Example #2

7:30pm Friday - Player A dropped
11:30pm Friday - GM 1 puts a claim on Player A but does not have the room
5:00pm Satuday - GM 1 makes the needed room in the 23 men roster for Player A (waiving or not player B) and is still winning waiver bid.
5.05pm Saturday - GM 2 with a better W priority places a claim on player A
7:30pm Saturday - GM 2 is awarded Player A
7.40pm Saturday - GM 3 places a claim on player B, if waived => GM 1 loses player B without getting player A

Player B is still on GM 1s team until the waiver processes at 9 PM, IMO.

[Mash]

Can I get a ruling on this, please?

working on it bro.

[Lee]

When we waive someone, how long do we have to actually assign them to the farm club? Can they continue playing games for a certain amount of time before being sent down?

Just because someone is on waivers, doesn't mean that the intention is to send them down.

EX1: Dylan Reese is already in the minors and is waiver exempt, I'm just offering him up for free if anyone wants him.

EX2: Jeff Finger. On waivers right now, do I have to assign him right away, or is there a period of time in which I can keep him on my roster with the option of sending him down, if he clears waivers?

[Mash]

When we waive someone, how long do we have to actually assign them to the farm club? Can they continue playing games for a certain amount of time before being sent down?

Just because someone is on waivers, doesn't mean that the intention is to send them down.

EX1: Dylan Reese is already in the minors and is waiver exempt, I'm just offering him up for free if anyone wants him.

EX2: Jeff Finger. On waivers right now, do I have to assign him right away, or is there a period of time in which I can keep him on my roster with the option of sending him down, if he clears waivers?

EX1: Reese is part of your team until someone wants him...that is between you and whoever wants him

EX2: As soon as Finger clears waivers he WILL be placed in minors. and will take effect AFTER current period.

[Mash]

When we waive someone, how long do we have to actually assign them to the farm club? Can they continue playing games for a certain amount of time before being sent down?

Just because someone is on waivers, doesn't mean that the intention is to send them down.

EX1: Dylan Reese is already in the minors and is waiver exempt, I'm just offering him up for free if anyone wants him.

EX2: Jeff Finger. On waivers right now, do I have to assign him right away, or is there a period of time in which I can keep him on my roster with the option of sending him down, if he clears waivers?

EX1: Reese is part of your team until someone wants him...that is between you and whoever wants him

EX2: As soon as Finger clears waivers he WILL be placed in minors. and will take effect AFTER current period.

[kyuss]

Example #2

7:30pm Friday - Player A dropped
11:30pm Friday - GM 1 puts a claim on Player A but does not have the room
5:00pm Satuday - GM 1 makes the needed room in the 23 men roster for Player A (waiving or not player B) and is still winning waiver bid.
5.05pm Saturday - GM 2 with a better W priority places a claim on player A
7:30pm Saturday - GM 2 is awarded Player A
7.40pm Saturday - GM 3 places a claim on player B, if waived => GM 1 loses player B without getting player A

guess GM1 should be careful and consider if Player A is really worth it then, eh!

i see, just pointing out the consequences this system might bring:
-the aforementioned risk of losing a player to waivers without getting the targeted one
-potentially encouraging other GMs to wait to place their claim with higher priority so that others have to make room for nothing (eventually losing a player)
-having to make more transactions (more posts to be made by GMs and to be checked by CC/admins) than the ones really necessary

to be sure that's what you want and not something that was not considered yet.

[Mash]

Example #2

7:30pm Friday - Player A dropped
11:30pm Friday - GM 1 puts a claim on Player A but does not have the room
5:00pm Satuday - GM 1 makes the needed room in the 23 men roster for Player A (waiving or not player B) and is still winning waiver bid.
5.05pm Saturday - GM 2 with a better W priority places a claim on player A
7:30pm Saturday - GM 2 is awarded Player A
7.40pm Saturday - GM 3 places a claim on player B, if waived => GM 1 loses player B without getting player A

guess GM1 should be careful and consider if Player A is really worth it then, eh!

i see, just pointing out the consequences this system might bring:
-the aforementioned risk of losing a player to waivers without getting the targeted one
-potentially encouraging other GMs to wait to place their claim with higher priority so that others have to make room for nothing (eventually losing a player)
-having to make more transactions (more posts to be made by GMs and to be checked by CC/admins) than the ones really necessary

to be sure that's what you want and not something that was not considered yet.

For the amount of times that something like this arises, I feel this system suffice. Although I appreiate your input and it will be taken into consideration when we disucss the matter as Admins/CC, this is just the way I feel. By no means does this mean this is guranteed to be the way we do things, It is still to be disucssed, however this is my opinion that I will be brining forward.

[Lee]

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