PIT/MTL Blockbuster

[Robin Hood]

To Montreal

Mikko Koivu

To Pittsburgh

Troy Brouwer
Travis Hamonic

[Chuck Norris]

Fuck I hate losing Brouwer but I think its the right thing to do...confirmed.

[kimmer]

Strong middle for MTL now

[Tony]

I like it

[Robin Hood]

Strong middle for MTL now

Nice Banner, Paul

[Nick]

Solid trade, significantly less asking from Chuck, compared to what you wanted from me!

[Robin Hood]

Solid trade, significantly less asking from Chuck, compared to what you wanted from me!

How so?

Brouwer vs Bozak is close
Hamonic vs Green is close when you account for their cap hits + potential improvement from Hamonic.

And you wanted an add...

[Nick]

Hamonic isn't close to Green IMO. Green is a hits & BS machine on top of a super top end scoring dman. Hamonic is simply well rounded.

[Robin Hood]

Hamonic isn't close to Green IMO. Green is a hits & BS machine on top of a super top end scoring dman. Hamonic is simply well rounded.

You and I differ in how valuable cap hit is. I value the cap hit of a player immensely. Hence my team has so many players ~3M or less - Brodziak (2.833), Sutter (2.067), Downie (2.650), Brouwer (2.350), Burrows (2.000), Simmonds (1.750), Clutterbuck (1.400), Klein (1.35), Gunnarsson (1.325), Hamonic (0.875)

I would take Hamonic at 0.875 every day over Green at 6.083

[Nick]

You and I differ in how valuable cap hit is. I value the cap hit of a player immensely. Hence my team has so many players ~3M or less - Brodziak (2.833), Sutter (2.067), Downie (2.650), Brouwer (2.350), Burrows (2.000), Simmonds (1.750), Clutterbuck (1.400), Klein (1.35), Gunnarsson (1.325), Hamonic (0.875)

I would take Hamonic at 0.875 every day over Green at 6.083

Yep, when it suits you, you value cap. When you're sending cap it seems to rarely be of concern


Team situation changes how desirable a saving of cap can be, but IMO it does not change what a player is worth, good cap management is easy to track, & currently with $15.96M in cap space, saving cap is of little interest to me. 6M for Green is easily worth it if he even has an 'okay' season by his standard, no doubt .875 is worth it and then some for Hamonic, but it doesn't mean he's going to help you win a week more.

Also... I have 15 FULL time NHLers under 3M, it's an obvious model to afford (easily) the 4 players over 6M, Giroux helps too

[Robin Hood]

Yep, when it suits you, you value cap. When you're sending cap it seems to rarely be of concern

Making things personal for no reason?

no doubt .875 is worth it and then some for Hamonic, but it doesn't mean he's going to help you win a week more.

Also... I have 15 FULL time NHLers under 3M, it's an obvious model to afford (easily) the 4 players over 6M, Giroux helps too

1. Hamonic does help me win a week more.
2. Your 15 full timers under 3M are not nearly as good as the ones I listed.
3. When your team is as good as mine, you will need Hamonic way more than Green and he will instantly become more valuable - let me rephrase: To a team that has a chance of winning, Hamonic is far more valuable than Green. Happy ?

[Nick]

Listening to your trade offers can feel personal, sometimes a harmless jab back related to the sales pitch, can be comforting.

1. More then Green? Unless you were fibbing to me or changed your mind on what stats you will dominate, Green helps the categories WE value a lot more then Hamonic does. (G/A/Pts/STPTS/SOG)
2. I sure as hell wouldn't trade them for yours, matter of opinion I'll have to say.
3. I don't think you can honestly say that I " don't have a chance of winning".

[Robin Hood]

Listening to your trade offers can feel personal, sometimes a harmless jab back related to the sales pitch, can be comforting.

1. More then Green? Unless you were fibbing to me or changed your mind on what stats you will dominate, Green helps the categories WE value a lot more then Hamonic does. (G/A/Pts/STPTS/SOG)
2. I sure as hell wouldn't trade them for yours, matter of opinion I'll have to say.
3. I don't think you can honestly say that I " don't have a chance of winning".

1. Yes, Hamonic at 0.875 helps my team win more than Green helps your team at 6.083
2. I will let you continue thinking this as it is my competitive advantage
3. Your team will get dominated by my team, BOS, TOR. Conference semis (didn't you lose to OTT here last year?) is as far as you will go until you get #2.

[Nick]

You sound like the Canucks there Shiv, talking like a cup winner w/o a ring.

[kimmer]

I missed this

[Robin Hood]

You sound like the Canucks there Shiv, talking like a cup winner w/o a ring.

Damnit, Anton!