LAK - BUF

[The BBKL Insider]

To Los Angeles:
Carl Gunnarsson - D


To Buffalo:
Mark Jankowski - C
Anton Babchuk - D

[Phion Keneuf]

confirmed, this JanCockFace dude better be on a line with Baertschi one day

[Shep]

Oh nice deal. Jankowski could be a BEAST.

[Nick]

because of his draft position?

[Phion Keneuf]

because of his draft position?

no, because the best GM in the league thinks so:
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/06/2 ... 012-draft/

[Shep]

because of his draft position?

"could be"

[The BBKL Insider]

Jankowski is one of those players that needs to fill into his body


he's big, fast, and plays with an edge


as much as i didn't like the pick (that high), i very much like the player. I think he probably should have gone in the 27-33 range, however, he could very well be a productive NHL'er

[Phion Keneuf]

reminds me of Colborne, dont know why, just from what ive heard/seen in highlights

both went through a 5 inch growth spurt

[Nick]

Drafting that high from that competition level is insanity. Although I do trust NHL GMS and obviously their-scouts, I never ever liked the idea of trading for a player based on which spot they were drafted - same player regardless. Also I know, personally, if i don't actually know a love the prospect I'll trade them away well before they reach the described ceiling/value. Gotta form it for myself to actually believe it.


Man That is a sick goal by Rielly, just watched it 5+ times.

[MSP4LYFE]

"You judge the player on their own merit, not the competition they play against." This is a famous quote (paraphrased) from Håkan Andersson of the Detroit Red Wings.

[MSP4LYFE]

Drafting that high from that competition level is insanity. Although I do trust NHL GMS and obviously their-scouts.

That is like saying, consuming food items from the MacDonald's healthy food menu is extremely unhealthy, but I trust MacDonald's, and their chefs. You can't have it both ways... Either you distrust NHL GM's and scouts to some extent, or you completely trust their opinion and therefore must abandon your first premise, "drafting that high from that competition level is insanity" because prospects are routinely drafted high by NHL scouts and GM's despite playing against low level competition (Chris Kreider, Mark Jankowski, Nick Leddy, David Backes, Ben Hanowski, Jake Gardiner, Joe Colborne, Kyle Turris, Bill Guerin etc.)












I'm totally fucking with you

[Nick]

Chris Kreider, Mark Jankowski, Nick Leddy, David Backes, Ben Hanowski, Jake Gardiner, Joe Colborne, Kyle Turris, Bill Guerin

The range in competition faced in that group is insanity, high school hockey is not the same as high school hockey. Kreider, Leddy, Backes, Hanowsky, & Gardiner are all from the Minnesota High-school system, and although it is no CHL, it is very very good hockey - the skill level is extremely high. Colbrone and Turris were BCHLers, a league which lacks the size and prestige of the WHL, but is more skilled and easily the best Junior A league. Guerin was from some, nothing, new england league that barely lasted his tenure there - and ye he's an awesome player who was drafted 5th overall - beyond a rarity. But even that is a dedicated junior hockey league, not the farce that the canadian high-school hockey system is - and I'm not sold that stanstead elite-prep school is really a hockey-first path either, nor their opposition is more dedicated than a junior C team. Anyways, the MN state highschool league has been producing NHLers for years, and fills the NCAA ranks - watch for Tommy Vannelli coming up soon - iirc even playing for the same team as Gardiner - both even turned down an offer to join USNDP in order to stay in their Minnesota high-school. I am unaware of any player with a development path similar to Mark, so I'll say it again,

Drafting that high from that competition level is insanity.

One other thing all of these players (aside from Hanoski) have in common, is invitations to other skates and teams in line with their skill-level, so you scouts/GM can actually gauge where they are at.

Perhaps we disagree that quality of competition matters - but until you've squared off with Nathon Mckinnon or Seth Jones I'm not sure you can pretend to be in the title for best hockey player of the 2013 draft, because they've played against all the other quality players and embarrassed them, at least once.

i will contend the non- the ability to trust a pro-scout/GM but not take the opinion into your-own. Just because I don't know a player doesn't mean he was a bad draft pick. However I won't suddenly believe in a players future impact because of his draft position. And because you mis-quoted me I'll resate the entire sentence, which makes much mroe sense then combining 1.5 setances as the basis for your arguement.

Although I do trust NHL GMS and obviously their-scouts, I never ever liked the idea of trading for a player based on which spot they were drafted - same player regardless.

[MSP4LYFE]

1) Chris Kreider was a prep school player, not unlike Bill Guerin, and there are others like them, they are however the two more recent and notable examples to come up through that system. The AJHL, MIN HS, and BCHL are all second and third tier leagues that pale in comparison to the top level competition at the junior level, not unlike the Canadian HS level. I have no interest in dissecting the leagues any further, the fact of the matter is that it is not a high level of competition, and traditionally players are not drafted from these systems, though it is not uncommon.

2) The MN HS level does not produce a great deal of NHL'ers per draft, in fact it is quite rare that a MN HS product goes onto to play in the NHL.

3) Chris Kreider and Zach Budish played at the prep level in the US, which is an even lower level of competition than the Canadian HS level.

One other thing all of these players (aside from Hanoski) have in common, is invitations to other skates and teams in line with their skill-level, so you scouts/GM can actually gauge where they are at.

It helps when you aren't Canadian or have dual citizenship.

Perhaps we disagree that quality of competition matters - but until you've squared off with Nathon Mckinnon or Seth Jones I'm not sure you can pretend to be in the title for best hockey player of the 2013 draft, because they've played against all the other quality players and embarrassed them, at least once.

No one has said either of these things in this thread.

I will contend the non- the ability to trust a pro-scout/GM but not take the opinion into your-own. Just because I don't know a player doesn't mean he was a bad draft pick. However I won't suddenly believe in a players future impact because of his draft position. And because you mis-quoted me I'll resate the entire sentence, which makes much mroe sense then combining 1.5 setances as the basis for your arguement.

There is no misquote, I left out the second half of your statement because it was irrelevant, and not the point of contention. Whether or not you like the idea of trading for a player based on draft position is completely and utterly inconsequential.

[Sensfanjosh]

....a top pairing d for a seventh D and the definition of a project prospect? I'm a sens fan and I'd take Carl 10 times out of 10

[KapG]

Yah much rather steves side of this. Jankowski is a project that wont be in the nhl for some time and gunnar is actually a really good bbkl dman. No brainer for steve!

[Robin Hood]

I think 99% of new GMs fall into the "I'm going to rebuild this from the ground up" Trap as soon as they join BBKL only to realize how quickly they've destroyed a good team.

Steve runs away with this one.

[Shep]

Gunnarsson isn't a top pairing dman.

[KapG]

I think 99% of new GMs fall into the "I'm going to rebuild this from the ground up" Trap as soon as they join BBKL only to realize how quickly they've destroyed a good team.

Steve runs away with this one.

I'd much rather build my own team so really, for me, I don't really care what people do to a team.

As for Gunnar not bein a top pairing d man, I agree. I like him as a 4,5,6,7 d man on a bbkl team though.

[The BBKL Insider]

Gunnars stats aren't even that much better than babchuks

Lol

[Sensfanjosh]

Gunnar is top pairing with Dion on the Leafs is he not, and his stats dummy Babchuks