A Little Wake and Trade: PIT/CGY

[Chuck Norris]

yes Chuck, overrated.

No offense was meant.

If I'm overrated then what does that make yours?

Oh and I know I'm just pushing buttons

[Shep]

Non-playoff teams talking trash to one another is cute.

[Chuck Norris]

Non-playoff teams talking trash to one another is cute.

Who are you saying non-playoff team there plug boy?

[Nick]

Hmm, I don't believe that's a top 3 d-core, there are some insane 6 man d groups in the BBKL - all #1 or #2 for team toi... And awesome h2h contributors in one way or another.

But no, I am not being nice - those 2 teams look very similar to me. Don't have much history of pulling punches to save face for another GM - not why we are here IMO - and most guys, most days, understand that these comments are said in good nature. If we wanted nothin but compliments we'd have some restrictions on forum conduct.

Would i do tho trade? Nope. But do I see why someone would? Yep. Hell I think a GM I know would have done it had the cap not been unacceptable in the swap for them.

[Chuck Norris]

Hmm, I don't believe that's a top 3 d-core, there are some insane 6 man d groups in the BBKL - all #1 or #2 for team toi... And awesome h2h contributors in one way or another.

But no, I am not being nice - those 2 teams look very similar to me. Don't have much history of pulling punches to save face for another GM - not why we are here IMO - and most guys, most days, understand that these comments are said in good nature. If we wanted nothin but compliments we'd have some restrictions on forum conduct.

Would i do tho trade? Nope. But do I see why someone would? Yep. Hell I think a GM I know would have done it had the cap not been unacceptable in the swap for them.

My old D-core was:

Markov - Myers
Bieksa - Hamhuis
Kulikov - Gleason/Larsson

That would have been arguably a top 5 before I moved Bieksa off for forwards.

[KapG]

yes Chuck, overrated.

No offense was meant.

If I'm overrated then what does that make yours?

Oh and I know I'm just pushing buttons

A young up and coming team! I'm well aware I am not challenging for any titles just yet .

See I've built my team quite differently from most GM's not named Hong! I have a handful of players (kovy, vanek, ehrhoff, greg campbell, stuart, michalek) who are already at their peaks, but for the most part, I have build a team of young players who have yet to fully reach their potential.

In all seriousness, your team will obviously be competing for the 7/8 spot. I just think I will be right there competing for that spot with you. *fingers crossed*

[armandtanzarian]

Whats all this going to look like when we only get half a season in? Say they start Jan 1st. We need to redo our schedule. These playoff matchups will be decided on a much smaller sample size.

[kimmer]

Hmm, I don't believe that's a top 3 d-core, there are some insane 6 man d groups in the BBKL - all #1 or #2 for team toi... And awesome h2h contributors in one way or another.

But no, I am not being nice - those 2 teams look very similar to me. Don't have much history of pulling punches to save face for another GM - not why we are here IMO - and most guys, most days, understand that these comments are said in good nature. If we wanted nothin but compliments we'd have some restrictions on forum conduct.

Would i do tho trade? Nope. But do I see why someone would? Yep. Hell I think a GM I know would have done it had the cap not been unacceptable in the swap for them.

My old D-core was:

Markov - Myers
Bieksa - Hamhuis
Kulikov - Gleason/Larsson

That would have been arguably a top 5 before I moved Bieksa off for forwards.

lol markov hasnt played for like ever

[Nick]

Ye probably top 5 - but Kev was a top pairing Dman who played all situations with epic h2h stats . And I still look at markov with a big question mark.

But it's shocking how often we gotta learn that people like their own team - that's why they traded for the players! Guys they like that someone else likes less... Almost too logical.

[Sensfanjosh]

Whats all this going to look like when we only get half a season in? Say they start Jan 1st. We need to redo our schedule. These playoff matchups will be decided on a much smaller sample size.

It means I'll only to play easy Western teams and not the big bad East, cha ching haha.

[Shep]

Have you looked at other d-cores?

[Sensfanjosh]

Whose are you referring to?

[Nick]

Schedule, IMO - we just cancel through weeks as we lose them - I made the schedule division based for the final weeks (instead of the start).

Ye I don't claim to have the other d-cores memorized, but I do recall what shiv's looks like, have over confidence in my own group, and then NJD, COL, LAK, off the top of my head I'm confident in their dominance.

[Sensfanjosh]

There's definitely other good ones, I just personally think Chuck's among the top, and with the exception of Markov they are young with plenty of room for further development too.

[Nick]

Edler-Giordano
Hamonic-Orpik
Boyle - * Carle* -> so Shiv is missing his #6 currently, but that's 5x top pairing dmen.

Burns-Carlson
JJ-Ference
Jackman-Gill
Fayne -> Shook's group in SJS isn't as young, but all big minute and big stat producers.

Shep has Franson and Schenn, who both bring question marks -> but a dominant top 4 as well.


Steve out in Hollywood has a totally loaded core:
Bieksa-Goligoski
Karlsson-Klein
Suter-Alzner/Elliot/Barrie/Petry (5x top 2 toi guys)



of course cannot go an entire post w/o tooting my own horn:

Fowler-Weber
Gardiner-Green
MacDonald-Bogosian
(6x top 2 toi)

Neel in COL rather safe back there as well:
Chara-Yandle
Greene-Coburn
Clark-Mcquaid --> bottom pairing leaves something to be desired. But Schultz, Blum and Petrovic all pushing for roles in the NHL.


So ye, even a quick glance through some teams I expected to be good yeilds d-core's I'd confidently vote on against
Markov - Myers
Gleason - Hamhuis
Kulikov - Larsson
Especially if, like me, you have doubts on Markov.

[Sensfanjosh]

You forgot Orlov in MTL as well, and I'd say Clark (currently UFA) is actually under rated but still not on par with the others in COL's D core, Mike Green like Markov in MTL has issues staying healthy even if they aren't quite as bad as Markov's, and he's younger so more time to get it back together; and Bogo has been somewhat inconsistent until this past season but seems to be figuring it out. LAK is probably the best on this list that I can concede. SJ has a good group but is largely periph based as opposed to being all around threats (exceptions in Burns, Carlsson and JJ). Then Shiv also has a quality group. Still would put Chuck in contention for the top 3 or maybe 4 groups though, especially considering he is 7 men deep.

[kimmer]

I love Brent Burns and would overpay for him

[armandtanzarian]

I've been told by someone that i have a weak D-core. If you look at my stats I am pretty sure I am right up with the big boys. I think i may be weak in offense but one of the strongest in D periph cats. So yea i guess I am weak.

Seabrook - Garrison
Robidas - Boychuk
Weaver - Engellend
ex. Spurgeon

[armandtanzarian]

btw. Hot thread of the week. and most off topic...love it

[kimmer]

Garrison/Weaver/Engellend/Spuregon puts you at top 10