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I don't know about you guys, but i'm locking out my players.

PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:11 pm
by The BBKL Insider
CBA talk here


Not looking good after todays 'counter proposal'


Cammy called the proposal "the same junk, just worded differently"

Re: I don't know about you guys, but i'm locking out my play

PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 5:19 pm
by kyuss

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:45 pm
by Peter
blah

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:09 pm
by Phion Keneuf
Proposed Salary Caps: all projected and fixed: 2012/13 - $58M 2013/14 -$60M. 2014/15-$62M. 2015/16-$64.2M. 2016/17 - $67.6M 2017/18 - $71.1M


58 mil next year cap? i can shed some i guess lol

poor Minnesota, bye bye Heatley or Backstrom

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:20 pm
by The BBKL Insider
if the cap goes down, so will players salaries....so, if the cap drops 10mil, roughly 20%, you'd have to think the players salaries will roll back an equal amount.

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:21 pm
by Nick
not correct - missing escrow amounts.

actually that entire breakdown is filled with errors. Not even worth working off of.

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:28 pm
by Nick
Actually decipherable:
NHL proposed a 6 year term today.

Players Share:
2012/13 - 51.6%
2013/14 - 50.5%
2014/15 - 49.6%
2015/16 - 50%
2016/17 - 50%
2017/18 - 50%

And something happening with HHR.

On a whole this feels like a move to the middle, that 50/50 split is the basis for conversation IMO.

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:30 pm
by Nick
Phion Keneuf wroteCOLONProposed Salary Caps: all projected and fixed: 2012/13 - $58M 2013/14 -$60M. 2014/15-$62M. 2015/16-$64.2M. 2016/17 - $67.6M 2017/18 - $71.1M
This is weird terminology. Fixed cap - that sounds familiar, but projected from growth amounts? 60M from 70Mish seems like more then a 5.4% drop (57-->51.6).

Re: I don't know about you guys, but i'm locking out my play

PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:03 pm
by bills09
fuck if thats the case im over the cap haha.

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:53 pm
by MSP4LYFE
bills09 wroteCOLONfuck if thats the case im over the cap haha.
If the cap does down by a significant margin, then player salaries will be rolled back accordingly.

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PostedCOLON Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:55 pm
by hong57
bills09 wroteCOLONfuck if thats the case im over the cap haha.
most ppl will be.. haha..

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:03 am
by bills09
Fair Deals Steve wroteCOLONif the cap goes down, so will players salaries....so, if the cap drops 10mil, roughly 20%, you'd have to think the players salaries will roll back an equal amount.
The current NHL proposal does not include a roll back of any kind.
I personally think this is a pretty fair offer from the owners and gives me hope something will get done.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404044

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:16 am
by MSP4LYFE
bills09 wroteCOLON
Fair Deals Steve wroteCOLONif the cap goes down, so will players salaries....so, if the cap drops 10mil, roughly 20%, you'd have to think the players salaries will roll back an equal amount.
The current NHL proposal does not include a roll back of any kind.
I personally think this is a pretty fair offer from the owners and gives me hope something will get done.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404044
Correct me if I'm wrong Nick, but this is my understanding of all of this.

The proposed deal involves players putting a larger percentage of their salaries into escrow. If at the end of the year the total salary was under the HHR%, then the players get all the money back + interest. If the total salaries add up to more than the %, then the owners get money back to bring the total player salary down to the % and whatever is left over goes to the players. Since the proposal involves increasing the HHR% it essentially serves the same purpose as a roll back.

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:18 am
by bills09
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLON
Fair Deals Steve wroteCOLONif the cap goes down, so will players salaries....so, if the cap drops 10mil, roughly 20%, you'd have to think the players salaries will roll back an equal amount.
The current NHL proposal does not include a roll back of any kind.
I personally think this is a pretty fair offer from the owners and gives me hope something will get done.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404044
Correct me if I'm wrong Nick, but this is my understanding of all of this.

The proposed deal involves players putting a larger percentage of their salaries into escrow. If at the end of the year the total salary was under the HHR%, then the players get all the money back + interest. If the total salaries add up to more than the %, then the owners get money back to bring the total player salary down to the % and whatever is left over goes to the players. Since the proposal involves increasing the HHR% it essentially serves the same purpose as a roll back.
how would that effect cap hits is the question im wondering..

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:19 am
by MSP4LYFE
bills09 wroteCOLON
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLON
Fair Deals Steve wroteCOLONif the cap goes down, so will players salaries....so, if the cap drops 10mil, roughly 20%, you'd have to think the players salaries will roll back an equal amount.
The current NHL proposal does not include a roll back of any kind.
I personally think this is a pretty fair offer from the owners and gives me hope something will get done.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=404044
Correct me if I'm wrong Nick, but this is my understanding of all of this.

The proposed deal involves players putting a larger percentage of their salaries into escrow. If at the end of the year the total salary was under the HHR%, then the players get all the money back + interest. If the total salaries add up to more than the %, then the owners get money back to bring the total player salary down to the % and whatever is left over goes to the players. Since the proposal involves increasing the HHR% it essentially serves the same purpose as a roll back.
how would that effect cap hits is the question im wondering..
I just told you, player salaries will be scaled back accordingly.

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:08 am
by armandtanzarian
I can't see the players accepting this. Why would teams be rushing to get these long term deals done before deadline? If these exisitng contracts arent scaled back i think we in BBKL will need some time to do some major adjusting...lol

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:56 am
by KapG
Lots of cap space here :)

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:12 pm
by MSP4LYFE
mr. bruin wroteCOLONI can't see the players accepting this. Why would teams be rushing to get these long term deals done before deadline? If these exisitng contracts arent scaled back i think we in BBKL will need some time to do some major adjusting...lol
They will be if the cap is lowered by a significant margin. A majority of teams won't be able to operate under the cap otherwise.

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:17 pm
by armandtanzarian
I wonder if there could be a clause on existing contracts that the players still get paid but there is a percentage of contract applied to new Cap schema?

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PostedCOLON Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:36 pm
by Shep
That defeats the whole purpose. They want to spend less money on players.