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Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:26 am
by shooker
To Colorado:

Patrick Sharp LW
MIN Waiver 3rd

To Dallas:

Guillame Latendresse RW
Tyler Ruegseggar RW
3rd 2010 CHI
5th 2010 FLA

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:32 am
by fedro91
bryshook wroteCOLONTo Colorado:

Patrick Sharp LW
MIN Waiver 3rd

To Dallas:

Guillame Latendresse RW
Tyler Ruegseggar RW
3rd 2010 CHI
5th 2010 FLA

I accept this deal. I believe I made the right thing by getting a sniper while he get s me hits and PIM.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:09 am
by anton
so let me get this straight. you traded marian hossa for patrick sharp, then proceed to flip sharp for....guillame lattendresse?

this is gettin fuckin ridiculous

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:21 am
by fedro91
anton wroteCOLONso let me get this straight. you traded marian hossa for patrick sharp, then proceed to flip sharp for....guillame lattendresse?

this is gettin fuckin ridiculous

What did I do now.

I got

1st entry pick (21st) + Lattendresse + 3rd + 5th + Tyler R. + Justin Jokinen for Smyth + Frolov + 1st 2011.

Sorry but Lattendresse brings me PIM, Hits,low Cap hit and goals. I m happy with the deals.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:46 am
by Shoalzie
We'll see what happens with Latendresse...he's a high stock guy, maybe he's got it put together now in Minnesota. Sharp is the proven commodity and I consider him the better player in the deal...I would've hung onto him after you traded him for Hossa.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:49 am
by Shoalzie
fedro91 wroteCOLONI got

1st entry pick (21st) + Lattendresse + 3rd + 5th + Tyler R. + Justin Jokinen for Smyth + Frolov + 1st 2011.

Sorry but Lattendresse brings me PIM, Hits,low Cap hit and goals. I m happy with the deals.


Those are decent returns...I don't blame you for trading Smyth and his contract...that's why I traded him to you in the first place. You could've stopped at just the Hossa trade and you would've come out ahead. I should've reached out to you when you threw Hossa on the block because I would've come to you with an offer. You're a fast worker...

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:57 am
by Topher
Just remember Latendresse is an RFA and is getting a new contract so I am sure it will be a decent raise over 800 k

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:23 am
by Robin Hood
lol frank. you just turned hossa into latendresse. very stupid deal by dallas.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:38 am
by jcarton
??????????????????????, you could have got alot more Frank starting at Hossa

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:34 am
by armandtanzarian
I no like...

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:38 am
by MSP4LYFE
Value wise, yeah he probably could have gotten more for Latendresse, that being said, Lats is only 22 and has a boatload of talent...This is far from one sided...The problem with alot of you is that you can't see past what have you done for me lately. Latendresse killed it in his brief stint with Minnesota (25 goals in 55 games). If he continues to improve and get ice time he could be a sleeper for 35+ goals and a boatload of hits, he's one rise, meanwhile Hossa is on the decline, still a great player, dont get me wrong, but nowhere near the 100 point superstar he was a few years ago.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:11 pm
by Nick
i'm with kareem here.

Latendresse is in an excellent situation, and power-forwards break out a little later then most prospects....

he'll be top PP in min, which is actually shaping up to be a decent power play unit (back end of Barker & Burns,w/ Koviu in the middle is a strong start by itself) and he'll be expected to score in Minny....

Hossa is aging and in a secondary role....


with that said I see why bryan would do this too.. the guy increased his value huge with him, like when dealing with investments, sometimes you accept the profit you've made in a risky opportunity and turn it into something more stable.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:28 pm
by Robin Hood
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONValue wise, yeah he probably could have gotten more for Latendresse, that being said, Lats is only 22 and has a boatload of talent...This is far from one sided...The problem with alot of you is that you can't see past what have you done for me lately. Latendresse killed it in his brief stint with Minnesota (25 goals in 55 games). If he continues to improve and get ice time he could be a sleeper for 35+ goals and a boatload of hits, he's one rise, meanwhile Hossa is on the decline, still a great player, dont get me wrong, but nowhere near the 100 point superstar he was a few years ago.
none of this accounts for

1) turning a stable asset into a risky asset. latendresse could easily slump.
2) accounting for the fact that sharp is in fact not 30 yet and in a great position to produce.

even if you argue that its not THAT bad, you can definitely make the argument that frank didnt shop sharp around enough. imo this was a classic case of trading something (hossa) for something that feel helps you more (sharp) and then trading what you got for something less than you gave up in the first place. decreasing marginal returns.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:36 pm
by MSP4LYFE
SuperMario wroteCOLON
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONValue wise, yeah he probably could have gotten more for Latendresse, that being said, Lats is only 22 and has a boatload of talent...This is far from one sided...The problem with alot of you is that you can't see past what have you done for me lately. Latendresse killed it in his brief stint with Minnesota (25 goals in 55 games). If he continues to improve and get ice time he could be a sleeper for 35+ goals and a boatload of hits, he's one rise, meanwhile Hossa is on the decline, still a great player, dont get me wrong, but nowhere near the 100 point superstar he was a few years ago.
none of this accounts for

1) turning a stable asset into a risky asset. latendresse could easily slump.
2) accounting for the fact that sharp is in fact not 30 yet and in a great position to produce.

even if you argue that its not THAT bad, you can definitely make the argument that frank didnt shop sharp around enough. imo this was a classic case of trading something (hossa) for something that feel helps you more (sharp) and then trading what you got for something less than you gave up in the first place. decreasing marginal returns.
Right off the bat I think Sharp for Latendresse is a win, I'd do it myself without a second thought. I think Latendresse is underrated, have since he was drafted, and I think Sharp is overrated (periphery stats aren't that great), and hes likely to be dealt. The real question mark is the Hossa deal, and I agree with you, Frank did not do his due diligence, and likely could have gotten more, I stated as much above. However I don't think it's a bad deal.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:15 pm
by bma
Man, I wish I had some french guys on my team.

Re: Dallas & Colorado deal

PostedCOLON Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:54 pm
by Scott
bcool wroteCOLONMan, I wish I had some french guys on my team.
rofl