HFD rapes PIT again.

[Robin Hood]

To HFD

Michael Handzus
Ryan Ellis
Jason Labarbara
1st NYI 2011


To PIT

Stephen Weiss


i know i got raped with my pants on.

[Shep]

How many times do we get deals where neither party is sure?

Accept..

[MSP4LYFE]

The homer in me says Big Win for Pittsburgh, but the realist in me says Shiv is a dumbass, very confusing deal.

[Robin Hood]

The homer in me says Big Win for Pittsburgh, but the realist in me says Shiv is a dumbass, very confusing deal.

yup i think its more that im an idiot than me actually coming CLOSE to winning this deal.

[Nick]

doesn't seem bad either way to me

handzus is better then he is perceived as...

[Tony]

Too much ...

[KapG]

I dont know.

Ellis has some value but I really don't know if he is ever going to make an impact. I mean, if the guy is already a HUGE liability in the defensive zone in JR. How is he EVER going to be effective at the NHL level? The guy is a fucking midget too.

Labarbara is le garbage.

Handzus is OK and that 1st should be a good pick but in a weak draft...

Weiss is a very good young player who is still getting better...

Hard to tell who is the winner in this trade. A lot was given up but the only pieces that are going to show any value immediately are Handzus and weiss.

hm.

[armandtanzarian]

Was the top 3 pick in 2011 really necessary?

[Shoalzie]

Shiv, you got the best player in the deal...I don't think you should be too disappointed with that. If that 1st rounder in the lottery, that might tilt the scales a bit against you. Considering how deep the East is, it's going to tough for the Isles to make the playoffs...so I'm thinking that's a top 15 pick at the worst. Ellis is talented but undersized. Labarbera is the backup of one of the workhorse goalies so he hardly will ever play barring injury...that's why I never wanted him when you offered him to me.

The current production isn't that far off when you consider Handzus is a solid all-around center while Weiss is very good on draws but leans more on offense. Throw in the factors of Weiss' age and he's got a very reasonable contract for 3 more years. I think all the pieces with Handzus fairly even out the deal. Stats for stats, you're not gaining a lot but you're getting a better contract and more potential. I don't think either team should complain about this one.

From the Whalers' perspective...why trade Weiss? Solid future grabs though and Handzus very steady but who knows what his future holds after this year.

[KapG]

Was the top 3 pick in 2011 really necessary?

you say that, but then when people try and move that pick people will say...well its a shit draft..value isn't that high.

Tough to gauge what that pick is worth really.

Shiv got a really good young player who is still improving. He gave up a lot ... but not THAT much if you actually look at the value IMO.

[The BBKL Insider]

Shep kills in this deal

Easy

[Shep]

Just so everybody knows, I own Bryzgalov so getting Labarbera means more to me than anybody else in the league. Completing that tandem ensures I do not have to do any goalie shuffling next season.

I traded Weiss because I can afford the hit on offence and adding more periphery stats where Handzus beats Weiss in almost every one, along with all the other crap added.

[Shoalzie]

Just so everybody knows, I own Bryzgalov so getting Labarbera means more to me than anybody else in the league. Completing that tandem ensures I do not have to do any goalie shuffling next season.

I traded Weiss because I can afford the hit on offence and adding more periphery stats where Handzus beats Weiss in almost every one, along with all the other crap added.

Gotcha...

[Robin Hood]

Shep kills in this deal

Easy

Agreed. I got raped. But I knew this before I even made the deal (see the subject). I got what i wanted out of the deal.

[Scott]

Solid deal. Not one I would've made though tbh if I were Shep.

[Shep]

I've got a serious question out of curiosity.

I was told I lost the deal when I gave up 29th overall + Ryan O'Reilly for Weiss. I was told "O'Reilly should have been enough."

Now I get back, which I consider to be a lot more than that, in Handzus, Ellis, Labarbera, NYI 1st in 2011 (for arguments sake, a top 10 pick). And I still lose the trade?

Again, for arguments sake, let's say the picks cancel eachother out. You guys are telling me O'Reilly > Handzus + Ellis + Labarbera?

Really?...

So confused lol.

Oh well, I consider it a huge win compared to what I gave up and I am MORE than happy with my return.

Cheers.

[Tony]

Time to change ze avatar

[The BBKL Insider]

I've got a serious question out of curiosity.

I was told I lost the deal when I gave up 29th overall + Ryan O'Reilly for Weiss. I was told "O'Reilly should have been enough."

Now I get back, which I consider to be a lot more than that, in Handzus, Ellis, Labarbera, NYI 1st in 2011 (for arguments sake, a top 10 pick). And I still lose the trade?

Again, for arguments sake, let's say the picks cancel eachother out. You guys are telling me O'Reilly > Handzus + Ellis + Labarbera?

Really?...

So confused lol.

Oh well, I consider it a huge win compared to what I gave up and I am MORE than happy with my return.

Cheers.

I think u won both deals...

btw - u still have O'Reilly?

[Shep]

I've got a serious question out of curiosity.

I was told I lost the deal when I gave up 29th overall + Ryan O'Reilly for Weiss. I was told "O'Reilly should have been enough."

Now I get back, which I consider to be a lot more than that, in Handzus, Ellis, Labarbera, NYI 1st in 2011 (for arguments sake, a top 10 pick). And I still lose the trade?

Again, for arguments sake, let's say the picks cancel eachother out. You guys are telling me O'Reilly > Handzus + Ellis + Labarbera?

Really?...

So confused lol.

Oh well, I consider it a huge win compared to what I gave up and I am MORE than happy with my return.

Cheers.

I think u won both deals...

btw - u still have O'Reilly?

no I gave him up for Weiss originally.

[Robin Hood]

I've got a serious question out of curiosity.

I was told I lost the deal when I gave up 29th overall + Ryan O'Reilly for Weiss. I was told "O'Reilly should have been enough."

Now I get back, which I consider to be a lot more than that, in Handzus, Ellis, Labarbera, NYI 1st in 2011 (for arguments sake, a top 10 pick). And I still lose the trade?

Again, for arguments sake, let's say the picks cancel eachother out. You guys are telling me O'Reilly > Handzus + Ellis + Labarbera?

Really?...

So confused lol.

Oh well, I consider it a huge win compared to what I gave up and I am MORE than happy with my return.

Cheers.

i think you won this trade in terms of trade value.