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Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:11 pm
by MSP4LYFE
The Boston Red Sox completed their September collapse in horrific and historic fashion, falling out of the playoff chase by allowing two ninth-inning runs in a 4-3 loss to the Baltimore Orioles on Wednesday night.
The Red Sox held a nine-game lead in the AL wild-card race after Sept. 3, but a 7-19 swoon left them tied with Tampa Bay entering the final day of the regular season.
Only minutes after this game ended, the Rays completed their comeback from a 7-0 deficit with an 8-7 win over the New York Yankees in 12 innings.
Even if Tampa Bay lost, the Red Sox faced the prospect of a quick turnaround following a long night at Camden Yards that included a rain delay of 1 hour, 26 minutes in the middle of the seventh inning.
When the rain came, Tampa Bay trailed 7-0. By the time play resumed, the Rays and Yankees were tied at 7 heading into the 10th inning. The Rays finally prevailed 8-7 in 12 innings, thanks to Evan Longoria's walkoff home run.
The Orioles won the game in the ninth against Boston closer Jonathan Papelbon (4-1), who struck out the first two batters before giving up a double to Chris Davis.
Nolan Reimold followed with a double to score pinch-runner Kyle Hudson, and Robert Andino completed the comeback with a single to left that Carl Crawford couldn’t glove.
Boston became the first team to miss the postseason after leading by as many as nine games for a playoff spot entering September, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.
Jim Johnson (6-5) worked the ninth for Baltimore.
The Ameican league playoffs begin Friday, with the Detroit Tigers visiting the Yankees and the Rays heading for Texas to meet the Rangers.
Read more:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/Braves+c ... z1ZN1C5P3D
It really blows that the Bruins won the SC, but this almost makes up for it. What a night of baseball last night was...
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:22 pm
by Mike
Insane baseball last night.
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:22 pm
by Mash
so great....bosox ahhahahahaha
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:27 pm
by armandtanzarian
i dont even like Baseball and that was just amazing entertainment. I am unsure of a regular season night of b-ball that had so much importance. pretty stellar...
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:26 pm
by Scott
I won't even go in to the convo Chris and I were having last night..
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:48 pm
by MSP4LYFE
The Devil wroteCOLONI won't even go in to the convo Chris and I were having last night..
Please share...
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:50 pm
by Scott
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONThe Devil wroteCOLONI won't even go in to the convo Chris and I were having last night..
Please share...
Ask Chris LOL
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:58 pm
by MSP4LYFE
I tried earlier today, but he didn't want to talk about the game.
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:00 pm
by Scott
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI tried earlier today, but he didn't want to talk about the game.
Let's just say I called the collapse
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:09 pm
by MSP4LYFE
Once the Yanks went up 7-0 I thought it was over for the Rays, but then Papelbon blew a one run lead, and the Rays lead by Longoria made an epic comeback.
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PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:16 pm
by shooker
I personally love it as I hate the red sox and yankees. Truely though I will never be able to love baseball again until they get some sort of cap in place, there is just too much disparity for me to love it. Until they do I will just be a playoff fan, Go Phillies!!! win one for Doc
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:18 pm
by Chris
shooker wroteCOLONI personally love it as I hate the red sox and yankees. Truely though I will never be able to love baseball again until they get some sort of cap in place, there is just too much disparity for me to love it. Until they do I will just be a playoff fan, Go Phillies!!! win one for Doc
Oh please. Save the bitching. Parity IS in place with the structure of the MLB draft, the rule five draft, and via arbitration eligibility/compensation picks. TB just proved that you don't need to have a lot of money to draft well and develop well. Just because Toronto or whoever you cheer for have been generally incompetent doesn't mean there's a disparity between the best and worst teams in baseball.
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PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:32 pm
by Shoalzie
Great night of baseball! It would've been cool to see the Rangers lose so the Tigers could host the wild card team in ALDS but I'm glad now that it's the Yankees instead because playing the Rays on the heels of that emotional game...they'll be a tough out. I've got tickets for Game 3 in Detroit on Monday night...really excited to see playoff baseball again in Detroit. I saw Game 4 of the ALCS and Game 1 of the World Series back in '06...it seems like ages ago. I'm picking Tigers in 5.
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PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:35 pm
by MSP4LYFE
TB proved what exactly? That you need to tank for a decade to compete in the AL East...Incompetence is the reason TB are successful today, and their payroll or lack thereof suggest that success will inevitably fall off, unless the Rays can continue to develop elite talent outside of the lottery. A near impossible feat for any team, nevermind a low budget team like the Rays. Furthermore, the structure of the MLB draft does nothing but hinder weaker, and subsequently poorer teams. Lower seeded teams cannot simply take the BPA due to signing demands, and slot. The new system looks promising, but still hinders the poorer teams from taking the BPA with every pick, the way it should be.
Players in the Rule 5 draft are assets the original team no longer wants, very rarely do such players develop into impact players. Dan Uggla, Johan Santana and George Bell are the exceptions, not the rule. MLB needs to implement either a cap or a balanced schedule.
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PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:28 pm
by bma
Yeah, seriously..was the Rule 5 draft actually mentioned as a tool for parity?
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PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:37 pm
by shooker
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONTB proved what exactly? That you need to tank for a decade to compete in the AL East...Incompetence is the reason TB are successful today, and their payroll or lack thereof suggest that success will inevitably fall off, unless the Rays can continue to develop elite talent outside of the lottery. A near impossible feat for any team, nevermind a low budget team like the Rays. Furthermore, the structure of the MLB draft does nothing but hinder weaker, and subsequently poorer teams. Lower seeded teams cannot simply take the BPA due to signing demands, and slot. The new system looks promising, but still hinders the poorer teams from taking the BPA with every pick, the way it should be.
Players in the Rule 5 draft are assets the original team no longer wants, very rarely do such players develop into impact players. Dan Uggla, Johan Santana and George Bell are the exceptions, not the rule. MLB needs to implement either a cap or a balanced schedule.
+1
While fag balls takes it as bitching, its fact. Something does need to be done and I dont think there is any debating it. I dont know what to tell you if you honestly feel that the team with a 36 mil payroll has an equal chance of competing as a team with a 200 mil payroll, simple logic tells you otherwise. Although with that kind of logic how badly you have mismanaged your team finally makes sense
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PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:50 pm
by Chris
The Rule 5 draft exists because it forces teams to disperse organizational talents when they are over the roster limit. It allows small market teams like Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Washington, Florida, among others, to protect their talent so that they can have time to develop, as well as giving those small market teams a chance. It has existed since the turn of the 20th Century; and it has always been treated as a re-dispersal draft.
I don't think I need to expound on why it's so important, but since none of you proles follow baseball on the same wavelength that I do, I can list off recent names. Johan Santana, Josh Gibbons, Jose Bautista, etc. But many are unable to understand the concept behind this draft. It is meant for players who are no longer waiver eligible due to having spent four or more years in the minors (depending on age of signing), and cannot fit under the roster limit ceiling. The Rule 5 draft has been mismanaged by those small market teams because they are unable -- unwilling even -- to use those dollars to spend on proper coaching and development. There's unbelievable talent available each year in the Rule 5 draft. It's not a career killer. Baseball is filled with coming of age stories who have failed to reach their immense potential in their early years, only to discover it later on.
The argument that talent is "thin" in the Rule 5 draft is a fallacious attempt by small-minded individuals who are unable to grasp the fragile intricacies of baseball's player development. As such, I look down upon all of you for allowing the Toronto media to spoon-feed you all into believing that it's a pointless exercise.
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PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:05 pm
by shooker
the arguement isnt that each team doesnt have an equal opportunity to find talent, they just can't afford to keep them. There and there alone is where the problem lies and the reasoning behind my comment regarding the need for a salary cap. Teams like Tampa/Toronto etc all have a two or three year window once they have developed said talent to win whereas the Yankees can buy a winner year in and out. I have yet to hear an even minor arguement supporting a no cap system. The only people that support this system would be yankee, philly, boston or any of the other big spending clubs that don't want it to change because they love the playoffs every year. It is actually quite selfish.
Look at what the Cap has done for the NHL and other leagues. The Fact that teams that could never compete before because of dollars are all the sudden playoff teams shows that Cap systems work for creating equality throughout the league.
Anyways I am done with this arguement as I honestly dont see how anyone can argue that a cap would be nothing but advantageous for the MLB.
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:16 pm
by Chris
You're not getting it. A capped system doesn't mean small-market teams will be able to pay to keep their stars. Florida and Tampa Bay struggle with spending money because of their exceptionally small fan-base. People say that teams need to create winners to develop a fan-base -- Florida has won two World Series and still struggle to get over 15,000 a game.
What's needed is a more lucrative revenue sharing system that punishes teams like the Boston Red Sox, the Philadelphia Phillies, and the New York Yankees without impunity. How that concept continues to escape the most casual of fans is beyond me.
Re: Boston Red Sox Collapse BAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:41 pm
by MSP4LYFE
Cuntacular Chris wroteCOLONThe Rule 5 draft exists because it forces teams to disperse organizational talents when they are over the roster limit. It allows small market teams like Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Washington, Florida, among others, to protect their talent so that they can have time to develop, as well as giving those small market teams a chance. It has existed since the turn of the 20th Century; and it has always been treated as a re-dispersal draft.
I don't think I need to expound on why it's so important, but since none of you proles follow baseball on the same wavelength that I do, I can list off recent names. Johan Santana, Josh Gibbons, Jose Bautista, etc. But many are unable to understand the concept behind this draft. It is meant for players who are no longer waiver eligible due to having spent four or more years in the minors (depending on age of signing), and cannot fit under the roster limit ceiling. The Rule 5 draft has been mismanaged by those small market teams because they are unable -- unwilling even -- to use those dollars to spend on proper coaching and development. There's unbelievable talent available each year in the Rule 5 draft. It's not a career killer. Baseball is filled with coming of age stories who have failed to reach their immense potential in their early years, only to discover it later on.
The argument that talent is "thin" in the Rule 5 draft is a fallacious attempt by small-minded individuals who are unable to grasp the fragile intricacies of baseball's player development. As such, I look down upon all of you for allowing the Toronto media to spoon-feed you all into believing that it's a pointless exercise.
Poor argument...
Just like the Rule 5 draft forces big market teams to disperse talent, it forces smaller market teams (many of whom stock pile young talent, and consequently have more to lose) to do the same. It also warrants noting that each team has the right to protect 40 players (within 3-4 years of their signing) from the Rule 5 Draft, and have considerable time to trade away excess talent. Though a quick run through any organization shows that talent after the top 40 is slim pickings, the exceptions to that rule are late bloomers or tainted athletes (health, attitude, mechanics etc.).
Additionally, looking back at past Rule 5 steals, it can be argued that the Rule 5 draft has simply redistributed the talent pool among weaker organizations,
Some Famous Examples:
Roberto Clemente [Pirates from Dodgers]
Johan Santana [Twins from Astros]
Dan Uggla [Marlins from D-Backs]
Josh Hamilton [Cubs from Rays, sold to Reds]
Joakim Soria [Royals from Padres]
This is all moot however; the Rule 5 draft is a complete and utter crap shoot, with thin talent available. Such that even the keenest eyes in baseball cannot find gold with any degree of consistency. If the players involved in the Rule 5 draft are of considerable value to an organization at the time of the draft, quite simply they would not be made available, 40 players (3-4 years after signing) is not a restrictive limit. Every once in a while good talent will slip through the cracks as is the case in any walk of life, but the ones that do are few and far in between, and certainly not a means to correct the lack of parity in MLB.
I will conclude by asking a simple question, when is the last time a championship baseball team, or even the core of a good baseball team built around the Rule 5 draft?