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[MSP4LYFE]

The more time passes, the more clear it becomes how little parity there is in this league. I attribute it too two fundamental errors we made to begin the league:

1) Failing to completely understand the scoring system, and subsequent value of players

2) Slow to remove general managers who, for lack of a better term, didn't get it.

The current group, insofar as I can tell gets the scoring system, and value of players, and understand how to trade and improve in this league. The problem now is that the talent is so unevenly distributed that it no longer matters for the majority of teams in BBKL. For that reason, and because I would like to participate in a more competitive league, I propose we consider a complete restart. Whereby managers maintain their team name, and original roster (as per NHL 2011-12 season).

As currently constituted the league consists of seven teams who have a legitimate chance to win (WSH, NJD, TBL, BOS, PIT, COL & LAK) year in and year out, an additional 5-10 who are competitive and may surprise on a given year, but never seriously contend. Outside of those are the majority of BBKL, teams who have been run down through mismanagement, largely the result of prior managers. Perhaps the most unnerving aspect of all of this is that the majority of the leagues youth lay in the hands of the top teams, and not the bottom feeders, and given the nature of fantasy sports, H2H in particular there is very little value in building through the draft, less so given the disparity in assets.

As a top team myself, and thus someone who stands to lose the most from restarting, I believe my opinion carries a great degree of objectivity and well being of the league as a whole in mind. That said, I understand there are members who have invested a lot of time into this league, and will consequently be apprehensive, perhaps abrasive to the notion of restarting, but I would like to ask those individuals one question. Is it really more fun to participate in a top heavy league with little potential change for the future?

My opinion is no, but I can only speak for myself.

Also, FTR I am not starting a campaign to have this changed, nor am I trying to force this on anyone, merely making a suggestion. If all 30 GM's approve great, if they don't, well so be it, we can forget it was ever brought up.

[Shep]

In all honesty, as much as those teams at the bottom want to believe.. it'll be ages before they are even winning regularly, let alone having a shot at a championship (if ever). Their NHLers are depleted, farm system is depleted. Not their fault, we just had managers that didn't "get it" through the time this league has been around.

Honestly. I've invested a lot of time into this team, with the 30 GMs we have now and the understanding, this league could be even better than it is.

I was hesitant at first, but I would do this reset.

Though, I agree in that the general response is going to be negative.

[MSP4LYFE]

When Mik first suggested it (a few months ago), I believe my reaction was something to the effect of "go fuck yourself, and stick to eating spaghetti you stupid fucking wop." But It's really hard to dispute the results of this past season... I think I played (maybe) 5 meaningful games all season, the rest were blowouts, that just isn't as fun, as a league where most teams are competitive.

[anton]

honestly i think the league now is more stable and the GMs are more active then i've ever seen in both my stints here.

i would oppose a complete re-start mainly based on the fact that i have worked my ass off to acquire the players i have and am quite happy where i stand, despite being a bottom 10 team.

if we could somehow, some way, do a complete re-start, while being able to maintain something like 3 players from our current roster i'd be more receptive.

for example: i go back to the Chicago Blackhawks but maintain kopitar, oshie, and shattenkirk - from there i choose a set number and the waiver draft begins.

BUT what i fear is that a re-start would set off a complete shit storm and GMs would leave, lose interest, etc etc.

this literally could only be done if every single GM agrees. also, does this not make a fucking shit load of work for admins like mike and scott on cbs/the forums/etc.

[MSP4LYFE]

this literally could only be done if every single GM agrees.

I agree

[Shep]

This won't go anywhere, in my opinion.

But I believe if everybody contributed (or at least 5-8 guys or so) that really want the reset for a lot of the dirty work it would go smooth.

[MSP4LYFE]

BTW Anton, I love the 3 player keep idea. It's very interesting, and could make the transition for some easier.

[MSP4LYFE]

This won't go anywhere, in my opinion.

But I believe if everybody contributed (or at least 5-8 guys or so) that really want the reset for a lot of the dirty work it would go smooth.

If, big IF, all 30 GM's were to come to some sort of agreement on a reset, I'd volunteer my services.

[anton]

i'd obviously chip in and dedicate some time, but i agree, this won't go past a general discussion.

[Shep]

The "keep 3" idea is pretty much the only shot in hell to get a vast majority, but even then.

Just takes 1 guy to say no. And there is a short list I have a feeling will strongly object to this.

[Arian The Insider]

I honestly don't know if I'm for or against. We do have a great group on GMs now and everybody seems to understand the value of players and how our stats work and everything. While it is unfortunate that this league is very top heavy, we've all spent a great deal of time and effort getting the players we have now and it would be a shame to see all of it go down the drain. However, since we have spent a great deal of time and effort, it COULD be worth it to restart and make this league more competitive.

[anton]

BTW Anton, I love the 3 player keep idea. It's very interesting, and could make the transition for some easier.

frankly i'd only agree to a re-start if there was a (whatever #) player keep rule. i've worked too hard to just start from scratch.

[MSP4LYFE]

i'd obviously chip in and dedicate some time, but i agree, this won't go past a general discussion.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm just hoping people can look past their team, and think about the possibility of a competitive 30 team league. Not only would week to week matches be more fun, but potentially it improves the activity of this league, the more teams in the race, the greater the interest.

To me personally, that is far more enticing than the prospects of owning a dominant powerhouse for another 4-5 years, or however long this league runs, but again, that is just me, and I only speak for myself.

[MSP4LYFE]

BTW Anton, I love the 3 player keep idea. It's very interesting, and could make the transition for some easier.

frankly i'd only agree to a re-start if there was a (whatever #) player keep rule. i've worked too hard to just start from scratch.

Toews, Kane, Keith, Sharp, Seabrook, Brouwer, Beach etc. is far from scratch, but I hear you.

[Shep]

Everybody has put in the effort, some of us from the start, some a very very long time.

With the activity this league has, the turnaround can happen fast. The time between our season ending and the draft is a LOT. Lots of trades can happen.

I like how the 4 of us talking are all open and when I come on the forums tomorrow there is going to be a shitstorm of people against it.

[MSP4LYFE]

Yeah, I expect some abrasive attitudes. I'm hopeful the opposite is true, but I don't expect it.

[Shep]

I have my 2 favourite players on my team. A protect 3 would make me down 100000%. And I'd be down 90% with a complete reset.

A protect 3 will definitely get WAY more people on board, because they can keep their favourite players. And even if a "NHL" team loses a lot of their players (like say WAshington losing Ovy, Backstrom, Green, Semin) or whoever, he's KEEPING 3 to make up for it.

The key here is getting DEPTH back to all the lower teams, getting their prospects back, picks, into their system to make this league competitive.

Think about it, if this league had 12-20 legit teams that could compete? How sick would it be.

Sure, some teams will get destroyed. But what's better, 8 teams with a legit shot, or 20 teams with a legit shot?

I had an easy schedule, and my team isn't even THAT good and I was blowing out teams. I had no fun up until December.

[anton]

BTW Anton, I love the 3 player keep idea. It's very interesting, and could make the transition for some easier.

frankly i'd only agree to a re-start if there was a (whatever #) player keep rule. i've worked too hard to just start from scratch.

Toews, Kane, Keith, Sharp, Seabrook, Brouwer, Beach etc. is far from scratch, but I hear you.

with "keep 3" im not getting toews, kane, or keith back

[MSP4LYFE]

The problem with the protect three rule is that the good teams will have more players protected, than bad ones. Ergo teams will have varying numbers of players and talent to work with. Which is troublesome, especially if certain teams (Canucks) don't have enough to roster a team. So we may be restricted to complete restart, or fantasy draft.

[MSP4LYFE]

with "keep 3" im not getting toews, kane, or keith back

That's with a complete restart.