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MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm convinced it was to free up money for Weiss who I believe the Leafs have already signed.

wouldn't that be tampering?

actually whats up with all this pre FA day discussion between teams? Horton/CBJ, Alfie/BOS etc. Is this an anomaly year where teams are allowed to talk to players before they are actual free agents? or is this something new in the CBA?

Yes the new CBA has a negotiating window where teams can speak to free agents, but nothing can be officially announced untill tomorrow. The NBA has a similar free agent talking period, for all we know there could be a bunch of players already agreeing to deals at this point.

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SuperMario wroteCOLONThere is a 48 hour period before free agency starts this year where discussions are allowed

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Bruyns wroteCOLON

shooker wroteCOLON

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm convinced it was to free up money for Weiss who I believe the Leafs have already signed.

wouldn't that be tampering?

actually whats up with all this pre FA day discussion between teams? Horton/CBJ, Alfie/BOS etc. Is this an anomaly year where teams are allowed to talk to players before they are actual free agents? or is this something new in the CBA?

Yes the new CBA has a negotiating window where teams can speak to free agents, but nothing can be officially announced untill tomorrow. The NBA has a similar free agent talking period, for all we know there could be a bunch of players already agreeing to deals at this point.

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Mike wroteCOLON3x5.5 elias

Wow...

Well, I assume they've been talking to Weiss (nothing leaked out?..).

Something must have come up over the last 24-48 hours, otherwise why not buy him out last week like Komisarek?

Bruyns wroteCOLONSo pissed at Leafs management, there was no need to use this buyout. Give the guy a full season and see if bounces back first. Obviously the money is already spent and I worry part of it is going to pay Bozak 4.5ish and Grabo>Bozak IMO. Would have much preferred letting Bozak walk and not wasting a compliance buyout.

I hope I'm wrong and Nonis will make some good moves, but I'm really pessimistic now after that senseless buyout. I expect Grabovski to sign somewhere and actually see some offensive minutes and linemates, put up 50 points and make the Leafs look foolish.

The Leafs had to move Grabovski to make room for upgrades. I like Grabovski as much as the next guy, but he couldn't play with Kessel, and wasn't going to usurp Kadri as the #2. 5.5 for a 3rd line center is simply too much money, this move was also necessary to bring in Weiss who is an upgrade on Grabo, and capable of playing on the top line. The only way this move goes to shit is if the Leafs don't sign anyone or bring back Bozak, neither of which will happen, IMO.

shooker wroteCOLON

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm convinced it was to free up money for Weiss who I believe the Leafs have already signed.

wouldn't that be tampering?

actually whats up with all this pre FA day discussion between teams? Horton/CBJ, Alfie/BOS etc. Is this an anomaly year where teams are allowed to talk to players before they are actual free agents? or is this something new in the CBA?

One, FA's can talk to teams from Wedensday to the open of FA. Two, teams tamper all the fucking time, how do you think deals are signed minutes after noon on July 1st? If you aren't tampering, you aren't in the loop.

SuperMario wroteCOLON

Mike wroteCOLON3x5.5 elias

Wow...

FUCK. That is all.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON

Bruyns wroteCOLONSo pissed at Leafs management, there was no need to use this buyout. Give the guy a full season and see if bounces back first. Obviously the money is already spent and I worry part of it is going to pay Bozak 4.5ish and Grabo>Bozak IMO. Would have much preferred letting Bozak walk and not wasting a compliance buyout.

I hope I'm wrong and Nonis will make some good moves, but I'm really pessimistic now after that senseless buyout. I expect Grabovski to sign somewhere and actually see some offensive minutes and linemates, put up 50 points and make the Leafs look foolish.

The Leafs had to move Grabovski to make room for upgrades. I like Grabovski as much as the next guy, but he couldn't play with Kessel, and wasn't going to usurp Kadri as the #2. 5.5 for a 3rd line center is simply too much money, this move was also necessary to bring in Weiss who is an upgrade on Grabo, and capable of playing on the top line. The only way this move goes to shit is if the Leafs don't sign anyone or bring back Bozak, neither of which will happen, IMO.

That's true if you believe Bozak to be an upgrade on Grabovski and I do not. I'm not convinced we sign Weiss and I think resigning Bozak is more likely. I also don't understand the Grabovski can't play with Kessel argument, he was never given the chance to play significant minutes with him and I was hoping this year was his chance. Kind of long article, but some good points why they could have tried it http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/03/2 ... sel-lupul/.

The biggest reason it might have failed are both players like to play a puck carrying type of game, but with the recent emergence of Kessel's playmaking ability I was curious if Grabovski returns to a 29 goal scorer with Phil setting him up.

I'm reserving judgement since we have lots of cap space and moves to come, but if we wanted to free up money I would have preferred buying out Liles and at least try Grabovski on the wing before buying him out for nothing.

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Bruyns wroteCOLONThat's true if you believe Bozak to be an upgrade on Grabovski and I do not. I'm not convinced we sign Weiss and I think resigning Bozak is more likely. I also don't understand the Grabovski can't play with Kessel argument, he was never given the chance to play significant minutes with him and I was hoping this year was his chance. Kind of long article, but some good points why they could have tried it http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/03/2 ... sel-lupul/.

The biggest reason it might have failed are both players like to play a puck carrying type of game, but with the recent emergence of Kessel's playmaking ability I was curious if Grabovski returns to a 29 goal scorer with Phil setting him up.

I'm reserving judgement since we have lots of cap space and moves to come, but if we wanted to free up money I would have preferred buying out Liles and at least try Grabovski on the wing before buying him out for nothing.

Bozak is a third line center, IMO. If we bring him back I will be livid. As for Grabovski, the reason he could not work out on the first line was because he had no chemistry with Kessel whatsoever. It was evident in pre-season, and even moreso in the handful of games they played together. It's no coincidence that both Wilson and Carlyle didn't play Grabo next to Kessel, and they had the chance to see the two of them together more than anyone, including in practice. Apart from that, Grabovski is not good on the dot, and despite being a very good possession player, is not the best center in his own end, which is magnified next to Kessel.

I am certain that the Leafs have an upgrade (my belief is that it is Weiss), otherwise there is no incentive to move Grabovski. The Leafs would be creating a hole in the line-up for no reason whatsoever. If the solution was Bozak, this could have been done alot earlier.

I hope you are right, I agree on Bozak and hope we don't have to watch another season of him as our #1 C

Bruyns wroteCOLONI hope you are right, I agree on Bozak and hope we don't have to watch another season of him as our #1 C

Nonis would have to be an idiot for that to happen, and I don't believe for one second that Nonis is an idiot.

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Mike wroteCOLON3x5.5 elias

Wow...

lol, I dont normally do this Shiv but i had to quote you here....

Elias is a UFA this off season. So he's taking a pay cut with the devils.

You were right...lol

This article sums up my thoughts on the Grabovski buyout to a tee.

http://theleafsnation.com/2013/7/4/stup ... bought-out

I don't believe Nonis is an idiot, but can we call him stupid? hahaha

Nonis isn't stupid if the freed up cap allows the Leafs to bring in an upgrade, you have to understand that with Grabo on the cap the Leafs didn't even have enough cap space to offer a player 5M. It's pretty hard to improve the center ice position with so much financial restraint.

Bruyns wroteCOLONThis article sums up my thoughts on the Grabovski buyout to a tee.

http://theleafsnation.com/2013/7/4/stup ... bought-out

I don't believe Nonis is an idiot, but can we call him stupid? hahaha

shooker definitely wrote that piece of garbage

I hear you MSP4LYFE

I need to have a little more faith, but when you say "improve the center ice position" after we just bought out the best C on our roster it's a little puzzling and hard to defend as a smart move. If we don't sign Bozak and spend the $ on Weiss I will be less upset.

I'm a die hard, bleed blue Leaf fan so I will be cheering them on opening night regardless of how upset I am with personnel moves. I just like being an armchair GM and pretending I know what is better for the team than management does lol.

You dont think that big ufa is clarkson by chance?