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Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:54 am
by Nick
It actually bugs me a little that I'm now being told I would have been happy with 9 years. Kareem & Shook you're unfairly generalizing. I know Kareem, lee and Billy wanted Richards at whatever the cost, had several convos about as much - but (it pains me to say this) I also recall shiv and a fellow leaf fan here in van (todd) who were with me in regards to no term past 5-mayb-6 years.
Connolly at 2 years isn't as risky as Cole for 4 years. Although I wasn't one criticizing the signing, the comment has merit, add in his previous experiment away from staal/car and the questions have a basis.
IMO brad > stastny. Connolly doesn't have the 2nd best hands, and the Cole signing was to fill an organizational need.
How about canuck fans? Happy with 4.6M for Kev? Letting ehrhoff & Torres go? Adding (speaking of injuries) sturm? Is that the difference to win the cup
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:31 am
by armandtanzarian
facey wroteCOLONIt actually bugs me a little that I'm now being told I would have been happy with 9 years. Kareem & Shook you're unfairly generalizing. I know Kareem, lee and Billy wanted Richards at whatever the cost, had several convos about as much - but (it pains me to say this) I also recall shiv and a fellow leaf fan here in van (todd) who were with me in regards to no term past 5-mayb-6 years.
Connolly at 2 years isn't as risky as Cole for 4 years. Although I wasn't one criticizing the signing, the comment has merit, add in his previous experiment away from staal/car and the questions have a basis.
IMO brad > stastny. Connolly doesn't have the 2nd best hands, and the Cole signing was to fill an organizational need.
How about canuck fans? Happy with 4.6M for Kev? Letting ehrhoff & Torres go? Adding (speaking of injuries) sturm? Is that the difference to win the cup
burn...
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:01 am
by Lee
I was high on Richards coming here, but learning that his deal involves a no - movement clause for the duration, I'm glad we didn't offer that.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:47 am
by shooker
facey wroteCOLONIt actually bugs me a little that I'm now being told I would have been happy with 9 years. Kareem & Shook you're unfairly generalizing. I know Kareem, lee and Billy wanted Richards at whatever the cost, had several convos about as much - but (it pains me to say this) I also recall shiv and a fellow leaf fan here in van (todd) who were with me in regards to no term past 5-mayb-6 years.
Connolly at 2 years isn't as risky as Cole for 4 years. Although I wasn't one criticizing the signing, the comment has merit, add in his previous experiment away from staal/car and the questions have a basis.
IMO brad > stastny. Connolly doesn't have the 2nd best hands, and the Cole signing was to fill an organizational need.
How about canuck fans? Happy with 4.6M for Kev? Letting ehrhoff & Torres go? Adding (speaking of injuries) sturm? Is that the difference to win the cup
LOL wasn't I the one who said all fans did it? Even giving examples of how Canucks fans did the exact same thing and everything lol. Was I generalizing yes but I was also saying that it rang true about all fans from all teams. I don't get the need for anger and lashing out here.
BTW using torres as part of an argument is reaching at best lol.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:16 pm
by MSP4LYFE
facey wroteCOLONIt actually bugs me a little that I'm now being told I would have been happy with 9 years. Kareem & Shook you're unfairly generalizing. I know Kareem, lee and Billy wanted Richards at whatever the cost, had several convos about as much - but (it pains me to say this) I also recall shiv and a fellow leaf fan here in van (todd) who were with me in regards to no term past 5-mayb-6 years.
Connolly at 2 years isn't as risky as Cole for 4 years. Although I wasn't one criticizing the signing, the comment has merit, add in his previous experiment away from staal/car and the questions have a basis.
IMO brad > stastny. Connolly doesn't have the 2nd best hands, and the Cole signing was to fill an organizational need.
How about canuck fans? Happy with 4.6M for Kev? Letting ehrhoff & Torres go? Adding (speaking of injuries) sturm? Is that the difference to win the cup
Where did I refer to you exactly?
And in regards to Richards, I said it was unrealistic to expect anything less than a big term on the FA market, and that when push came to shove I would pay it.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:22 pm
by MSP4LYFE
Also, I stand by my comment that Conolly has the second best hands in hockey. But just so there is no confusion I am referring specifically to his ability to dangle, and nothing else. Though with Jagr back in town, I may have to push him to third.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:29 pm
by Scott
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONAlso, I stand by my comment that Conolly has the second best hands in hockey. But just so there is no confusion I am referring specifically to his ability to dangle, and nothing else. Though with Jagr back in town, I may have to push him to third.
100% agree!
1. Dats
2. Tim Connolly
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:43 pm
by MSP4LYFE
The Devil wroteCOLONMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONAlso, I stand by my comment that Conolly has the second best hands in hockey. But just so there is no confusion I am referring specifically to his ability to dangle, and nothing else. Though with Jagr back in town, I may have to push him to third.
100% agree!
1. Dats
2. Tim Connolly
Yeah, the only players I can even see an argument being made for are Ales Hemsky, Ilya Kovalchuk, Evgeni Malkin and Mike Ribeiro to be entirely honest.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:51 pm
by Robin Hood
The Devil wroteCOLONMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONAlso, I stand by my comment that Conolly has the second best hands in hockey. But just so there is no confusion I am referring specifically to his ability to dangle, and nothing else. Though with Jagr back in town, I may have to push him to third.
100% agree!
1. Dats
2. Tim Connolly
guys this is the overstatement of the year. Connolly does have great hands, but he is not top 5 in the NHL even.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:51 pm
by Robin Hood
facey wroteCOLONIt actually bugs me a little that I'm now being told I would have been happy with 9 years. Kareem & Shook you're unfairly generalizing. I know Kareem, lee and Billy wanted Richards at whatever the cost, had several convos about as much - but (it pains me to say this) I also recall shiv and a fellow leaf fan here in van (todd) who were with me in regards to no term past 5-mayb-6 years.
Connolly at 2 years isn't as risky as Cole for 4 years. Although I wasn't one criticizing the signing, the comment has merit, add in his previous experiment away from staal/car and the questions have a basis.
IMO brad > stastny. Connolly doesn't have the 2nd best hands, and the Cole signing was to fill an organizational need.
How about canuck fans? Happy with 4.6M for Kev? Letting ehrhoff & Torres go? Adding (speaking of injuries) sturm? Is that the difference to win the cup
LOL well said nick.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:54 pm
by Scott
SuperMario wroteCOLONThe Devil wroteCOLONMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONAlso, I stand by my comment that Conolly has the second best hands in hockey. But just so there is no confusion I am referring specifically to his ability to dangle, and nothing else. Though with Jagr back in town, I may have to push him to third.
100% agree!
1. Dats
2. Tim Connolly
guys this is the overstatement of the year. Connolly does have great hands, but he is not top 5 in the NHL even.
Yes he does.. the guy's a fucking magician with the puck. He was born with a stick in his hands...
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 2:26 pm
by MSP4LYFE
SuperMario wroteCOLONguys this is the overstatement of the year. Connolly does have great hands, but he is not top 5 in the NHL even.
No
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:21 pm
by kyuss
Problem with Connolly('s great hands) is that after his concussions/injuries he had to change the way he plays, holding onto the puck way less than he used to do when making amazing plays.
Has been playing a safer, less exciting game, the last few seasons.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:39 pm
by MSP4LYFE
kyuss wroteCOLONProblem with Connolly('s great hands) is that after his concussions/injuries he had to change the way he plays, holding onto the puck way less than he used to do when making amazing plays.
Has been playing a safer, less exciting game, the last few seasons.
He's been better the last few seasons (IMO), less points, but also better play away from the puck, and greater durability.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:00 pm
by Robin Hood
The Devil wroteCOLONSuperMario wroteCOLONThe Devil wroteCOLONMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONAlso, I stand by my comment that Conolly has the second best hands in hockey. But just so there is no confusion I am referring specifically to his ability to dangle, and nothing else. Though with Jagr back in town, I may have to push him to third.
100% agree!
1. Dats
2. Tim Connolly
guys this is the overstatement of the year. Connolly does have great hands, but he is not top 5 in the NHL even.
Yes he does.. the guy's a fucking magician with the puck. He was born with a stick in his hands...
you and kareem are exaggerating these hands so much its crazy. what exactly is the definition of hands? Datsyuk's considered #1 not only because he can dangle, but because he creates plays like crazy/can create a scoring opportunity in tight and around the net. Crosby, Ovechkin, St. Louis all have better hands than Connolly. They can deke, but they have great hands in tight and they are terrific around the crease <---- something Connolly has not proven yet.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:05 pm
by Scott
Kareem was talking about dangling. Connolly is the 2nd best dangler in the NHL imo..
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:21 pm
by Robin Hood
The Devil wroteCOLONKareem was talking about dangling. Connolly is the 2nd best dangler in the NHL imo..
that's more of a fair statement for sure. imo though on the leafs alone grabo is a better dangler than connolly. league wide, i'd put kovalev (when he's on), briere, semin and patrick kane all ahead of connolly.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:45 pm
by MSP4LYFE
SuperMario wroteCOLONThe Devil wroteCOLONKareem was talking about dangling. Connolly is the 2nd best dangler in the NHL imo..
that's more of a fair statement for sure. imo though on the leafs alone grabo is a better dangler than connolly. league wide, i'd put kovalev (when he's on), briere, semin and patrick kane all ahead of connolly.
I forgot about Semin and Kovalev, you are right about those two, and I can certainly see the case for Kane (not Briere), but I would still lean towards Conolly. Anyways, this is a purely subjective argument, I'm just happy we added a skilled offensive pivot to compliment Kessel, and perhaps pair with Kadri in the future.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:51 pm
by Robin Hood
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONSuperMario wroteCOLONThe Devil wroteCOLONKareem was talking about dangling. Connolly is the 2nd best dangler in the NHL imo..
that's more of a fair statement for sure. imo though on the leafs alone grabo is a better dangler than connolly. league wide, i'd put kovalev (when he's on), briere, semin and patrick kane all ahead of connolly.
I forgot about Semin and Kovalev, you are right about those two, and I can certainly see the case for Kane (not Briere), but I would still lean towards Conolly. Anyways, this is a purely subjective argument, I'm just happy we added a skilled offensive pivot to compliment Kessel, and perhaps pair with Kadri in the future.
agreed. I think Connolly can work well with Kessel. You think Kadri makes it to that line by mid season? I think a Kadri-Connolly-Kessel line would be pretty dangerous.
Re: Richards to NYR
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:04 pm
by Nick
I'd say Connolly is in the 2nd tier of amazing, fancy-handed mofo's.
Dats, Sid, Jagr, maybe kovalchuk and JT
Then the 2nd group, led by Vinny,kovalev and ribby IMO. Oddly enough I'd say rnh will be in this group, Connolly is here with a bunch of guys with filthy mits, giroux, gagner, skinner... Etc. No doubt they are amazing though