Newbies' doubts: help by the league

[Nick]

I kind of agree with Kyuss, if a mistake is made a repick should be granted. Not really that big of a deal.

ye, thats what we've done in the past... but if your being silly about it and not doing ANY checking around.... thats just annoying and eventually u will lose the pick...and under no circumstance do we wait for someone to make their re-seleciton.


ie.

1. butler
2. MZA
3. palmer
4. irwin
5.macintrye
6.irwin -> mis-pick (we ID whenever we ID, but #7 is now active)
7. de costa
8. mitchell
-> the guy @ 6 could not now claim he picks either of those guys @ 6...... his pick become an 'at any time' pick... but needs to be used within ~15picks....

[Scott]

I kind of agree with Kyuss, if a mistake is made a repick should be granted. Not really that big of a deal.

ye, thats what we've done in the past... but if your being silly about it and not doing ANY checking around.... thats just annoying and eventually u will lose the pick...and under no circumstance do we wait for someone to make their re-seleciton.


ie.

1. butler
2. MZA
3. palmer
4. irwin
5.macintrye
6.irwin -> mis-pick (we ID whenever we ID, but #7 is now active)
7. de costa
8. mitchell
-> the guy @ 6 could not now claim he picks either of those guys @ 6...... his pick become an 'at any time' pick... but needs to be used within ~15picks....

100%.. if I understand what you mean correctly lol

Where ever we catch the mis pick is where the mispick is repicked right? lol

[Nick]

ye, but the spot is not held (draft not put on hold) for them...

[Scott]

ye, but the spot is not held (draft not put on hold) for them...

ya, that's what I meant.. lol

Carry on..

[Shep]

I'm also having a lot of trouble searching for a player not in the system.

Even worse is I know they have been traded, and no result in the trades thread.

Ah well.

[MSP4LYFE]

Who is the player shep?

[kyuss]

ye, thats what we've done in the past... but if your being silly about it and not doing ANY checking around.... thats just annoying and eventually u will lose the pick...and under no circumstance do we wait for someone to make their re-seleciton.

well, the situation you speculated is not what i was thinking about.
I mean, if a GM selects a player that had just been picked up by someone else he wouldn't even deserve the chance to repick..

my point was about GMs selecting players already owned before the draft, especially if such players were not listed on the forum or available on CBS.

[kyuss]

Where ever we catch the mis pick is where the mispick is repicked right? lol

mmmh.. however that might be somehow unfair: if a GMs makes an obvious mistake (hence, even more so one he should't have made) it gets catched straightaway and the GMs can repick soon after, whereas if a GM makes a less obvious mistake he could find himself repicking much later, once the error is caught.

What about this:
everyone is supposed to follow the draft and monitor it, right? And everyone should know which players he holds..
so once an owned player gets selected, if both the league and the owner fails to recognize that within some established time, the pick is considered legit.
That way if a team doesn't update his subforum roster it could pay the price as well, and GMs who made a less obvious mistake are assured to have the chance to repick shortly (or getting the selected player).

regarding the search -> i've been asking for a while that everyone has a thread in their team forum simply containing all their players names... this allows for bbkl search

here is mine: http://www.bbklhockey.com/viewtopic.php ... 2536#p2536 (just updated it)... its super easy... on the cbs site->myteam->spreadsheet->control_C->bbkl->teamsubforum->newthread/postreply->control_V

edit: this doesn't work for guys who we've talked about too much (ie crosby) his name appears too often... but for obscure prospects that you are not sure of their location, it works just fine

note: it does not search the contends of spreadsheet, or account for typo's. as per mis-picks...

I guess that would work just fine if everyone had an updated roster posted on his subforum. However, at the moment many have their roster there only as spreadsheet.. myself i have the rosters as 'code', which doesn't work with research either, so i believe what i need to do is leave the inherit roster as code and post as normal text the full current roster, right? (edit* done)

any chance we make mandatory for everyone to have soon full updated rosters posted as text?

CBS is 100% up-to-date with everyone owned.. the only players that won't be there will be from the picks just before yours lol

How so? some prospects are not there on CBS even if they are owned in our league.. Brendan Smith being just the last example i noticed.

as we've said a couple of times... his name is simply in there backwards...

Brendan, Smith D DET on NJD....

i have yet to get this honestly. I tried searching for Brendan Smith and for Smith Brendan without any success.
Same with Harri Sateri..

[kyuss]

I need some clarifications on the eligibility for the drafts.

All i could find on the subject is this:
"NCAA and International FA's can only be claimed via the leagues annual dispersal draft, you may not claim them through the waiver wire, unless X player has been signed by an NHL club prior to the start of the season."

I guess it went without saying that the players eligible for our entry draft are the same ones eligible for the real NHL draft, right?

Now, as per the current CBA which overagers can be drafted in the NHL entry draft? unsigned (by NHL teams) Europeans who are under 21 (like Andronov last year)? unsigned (by NHL teams) NCAA players who are under 22? I don't remember..

besides, in the above rules extract it talks about FA.. that means free agents for us or in real world? i guess it's our FAs, since Bobby Butler is not a free agent in real world and would not be eligible otherwise.. and in real world more players could be signed during our Waiver draft..

so, to my understanding the general rule for the waiver draft eligibility would be this:
any free agent in our league that is not eligible for the entry draft

is that correct?
I'm probably missing something, since this simple expression would have probably been the one used by you guys as well..

[Shep]

BTW, use the search function on the main screen or for the draft specifically, use CTRL+F in the draft selection thread and you will easily find players.

I had trouble finding Kuchin, but using the SEARCH in the top right corner of the forum bar, it works fine.

I use a spreadsheet, but I made a thread specifically for search purposes will all my assets in text form. Will be updated after every move.

It can be found here: http://www.bbklhockey.com/viewtopic.php ... 3029#p3029

[Shep]

I need some clarifications on the eligibility for the drafts.

All i could find on the subject is this:
"NCAA and International FA's can only be claimed via the leagues annual dispersal draft, you may not claim them through the waiver wire, unless X player has been signed by an NHL club prior to the start of the season."

I guess it went without saying that the players eligible for our entry draft are the same ones eligible for the real NHL draft, right?

Now, as per the current CBA which overagers can be drafted in the NHL entry draft? unsigned (by NHL teams) Europeans who are under 21 (like Andronov last year)? unsigned (by NHL teams) NCAA players who are under 22? I don't remember..

besides, in the above rules extract it talks about FA.. that means free agents for us or in real world? i guess it's our FAs, since Bobby Butler is not a free agent in real world and would not be eligible otherwise.. and in real world more players could be signed during our Waiver draft..

so, to my understanding the general rule for the waiver draft eligibility would be this:
any free agent in our league that is not eligible for the entry draft

is that correct?
I'm probably missing something, since this simple expression would have probably been the one used by you guys as well..

If they have an NHL contract and a free agent in our league, you can claim them for sure.

Also, there were 5-10 players drafted last year in our league that were eligible, but went undrafted. Be sure to search every player just in case, even if you know 100% they haven't been drafted in our draft this year.

I know I have 3.

Sergei Drozd
Patrik Cehlin
Kristian Nakyva

[Scott]

And GMs have 12 (24?) hours to make their pick.. if they make a mistake, it's certainly their fault and the "repick" will be made where it's caught. 12 hours is plenty of time to research if your selection is available.

[Nick]

And GMs have 12 (24?) hours to make their pick.. if they make a mistake, it's certainly their fault and the "repick" will be made where it's caught. 12 hours is plenty of time to research if your selection is available.

agreed.

its not like this is a pressure decision... you should have some planned names... i have a big ass list of players AROUND where my picks will be... and as usual a few off-the-board picks will be made...

[MSP4LYFE]

What about this:
everyone is supposed to follow the draft and monitor it, right? And everyone should know which players he holds..
so once an owned player gets selected, if both the league and the owner fails to recognize that within some established time, the pick is considered legit.

That is unrealistic, what if said GM is away for the day or weekend...It's not feasible to expect every GM to pick up on a mistake in a timely manner, it just doesnt work that way. I would hope that one of us could quickly identify an error, but that is not neccasarilly the case.

]i have yet to get this honestly. I tried searching for Brendan Smith and for Smith Brendan without any success.
Same with Harri Sateri..

I had Harri Sateri typed in two seperate threads, as as well one of my spreadsheets. Four if you include the trade thread, are you sure you typed it correctly, or used the correct search browser?

[kyuss]

What about this:
everyone is supposed to follow the draft and monitor it, right? And everyone should know which players he holds..
so once an owned player gets selected, if both the league and the owner fails to recognize that within some established time, the pick is considered legit.

That is unrealistic, what if said GM is away for the day or weekend...It's not feasible to expect every GM to pick up on a mistake in a timely manner, it just doesnt work that way. I would hope that one of us could quickly identify an error, but that is not neccasarilly the case.

with "some established time" i was thinking something like 2 days, not a few hours..

]i have yet to get this honestly. I tried searching for Brendan Smith and for Smith Brendan without any success.
Same with Harri Sateri..

I had Harri Sateri typed in two seperate threads, as as well one of my spreadsheets. Four if you include the trade thread, are you sure you typed it correctly, or used the correct search browser?

dude, Sateri was just another example of a player i couldn't find (at least not through the search function) on CBS.. not typing it backwords either.
And suppose you were one of the guys using spreadsheet only, or not even posting their roster at all on their subforums (there are still some).. search for Sateri would have failed on both sources.

[MSP4LYFE]

with some established time i was thinking something like 2 days, not a few hours..

It is not uncommon for GM's to be away for weeks...

dude, Sateri was just another example of a player i couldn't find (at least not through the search function) on CBS.. not typing it backwords either. And suppose you were one of the guys using spreadsheet only, or not even posting their roster at all on their subforums (there are still some).. search for Sateri would have failed on both sources.

I have the most up to date team team forum on this site, I have every single asset typed up, listed on a spreadsheet, on cbs, in the trade forum etc etc. If you had done the search correctly you would have found him. I just did and Sateri shows up in my trade forum. The mistake you made was searching on cbs, you need to search for prospects on bbkl. Many lower tier prospects aren't in the CBS database or merely have placeholders, hence you will not likely find them.

[kyuss]

That is unrealistic, what if said GM is away for the day or weekend...It's not feasible to expect every GM to pick up on a mistake in a timely manner, it just doesnt work that way. I would hope that one of us could quickly identify an error, but that is not neccasarilly the case.

with some established time i was thinking something like 2 days, not a few hours..

It is not uncommon for GM's to be away for weeks...

ok but owners were only one more (interested) controller to add to the league control.. anyway, forget about this.

I had Harri Sateri typed in two seperate threads, as as well one of my spreadsheets. Four if you include the trade thread, are you sure you typed it correctly, or used the correct search browser?

dude, Sateri was just another example of a player i couldn't find (at least not through the search function) on CBS.. not typing it backwords either.
And suppose you were one of the guys using spreadsheet only, or not even posting their roster at all on their subforums (there are still some).. search for Sateri would have failed on both sources.

I have the most up to date team team forum on this site, I have every single asset typed up, listed on a spreadsheet, on cbs, in the trade forum etc etc. If you had done the search correctly you would have found him. I just did and Sateri shows up in my trade forum.

Why i can't explain myself on this subject, i don't know.
I know Sateri showed up on the forums. I already knew you were the one having Sateri, as i searched for him on CBS after having traded for him with you. The point is i couldn't find him through the CBS search.
When that happens to a player that is not listed in normal text on the forums, i can't find him in either sources, that was the whole point.

The mistake you made was searching on cbs, you need to search for prospects on bbkl. Many lower tier prospects aren't in the CBS database or merely have placeholders, hence you will not likely find them.

exactly, and when the owner doesn't keep an updated roster on the forums (or don't even post it), maybe i won't find out that that prospect is owned, or at least, in case i'm looking for a trade instead of drafting, i won't find out straight away which team has him.

[Nick]

dude.

do a bbkl search


even if the team does not have an up to date team page, the player's name will appear somewhere in the
-trade for him
-when he was signed
-when he was claimed


CBS is used for our active-rosters and our stats. IT IS NOT THE PRIMARY WEBSITE FOR THIS LEAGUE.

[MSP4LYFE]

yeah, but my concern was not about the players already drafted in the same draft.
Still, a good solution could be doing ctrl+f on both 2009 entry and waiver draft lists (can't find the latter though).. all the players cut since then are listed in the waiver eligibles board right? if that's the case, any player i find on those 2009 lists but not there in the waiver eligibles board would be automatically uneligible.

Not neccasarilly, there are the odd players I have missed on the waiver draft eligible board, but more often then not if they are not on the board they are inelgible.

Yeah, that's probably what every team should have, as it seems like it would be the only way to instantly find which team has that prospect you're looking for..

It would be great if everyone did that, but the reality is that not everyone will.

mmh.. i can claim them, but in the Waiver draft i can also claim some real world-free agents, as i see some of them listed as available.. now, which is the rule that makes a FA in AHL, or Europe, or NCAA, eligible for the Waiver draft and not for the Entry? Age? Which are the limits?

It's all listed in the rules and transactions thread...If a player is under the age of 21 (and not owned by another BBKL team) and signed by a NHL club than he can be claimed whenever, if said player is not signed by an NHL team than he is still subject to the Entry Draft. College UFA's are a little bit different, they cannot be signed until after the age of 21 and after the NCAA regulaur season, in other words they can only be claimed in the waiver draft. International UFAS over 22 are subject to the same rules as NCAA players.

[MSP4LYFE]

exactly, and when the owner doesn't keep an updated roster on the forums (or don't even post it), maybe i won't find out that that prospect is owned, or at least, in case i'm looking for a trade instead of drafting, i won't find out straight away which team has him.

It doesn't matter if they have no team page the players name will be linked to that team in one way or another, be it the draft thread or waiver thread. We have NEVER had an issue of losing a player in this league, it's a non-issue.