BBKL 2010-2011 Standings - Final

[Shoalzie]

Just for the halibut...here's the roto-rankings through 3 weeks:

1. NJD.....435.5
2. BOS.....407.0
3. PIT.....367.0
4. WSH.....340.0
5. STL.....324.5
6. VAN.....311.5
7. MTL.....300.0
8. TOR.....297.5
9. COL.....295.5
10. OTT.....295.5
11. LAK.....291.5
12. SJS.....285.0
13. NYR.....264.5
14. CLB.....263.0
15. CHI.....261.0
16. ATL.....246.0
17. ANA.....233.0
18. PHX.....227.5
19. TBL.....218.0
20. DAL.....209.5
21. BUF.....203.5
22. NYI.....198.0
23. MIN.....197.5
24. CGY.....181.5
25. FLA.....181.5
26. CAR.....171.5
27. DET.....134.5
28. NSH.....130.0
29. EDM.....129.5
30. PHI.....39.5

[Scott]

Nice job Shoalzie..

I'm 1st in roto, 1st in h2h, and 1st in your hearts

[Shoalzie]

Figured it would spark a little conversation. Just three weeks in, some records could based on the strength or weakness of the opposition but this at least gives everyone an idea of how they stack up against everyone. Some teams could have some tough luck and just run into the wrong opponents at the wrong. It seems like our standings and these rankings are fairly close.

Just in case anyone cares...30 points for 1st in a category, 1 point for 30th. For any ties, the points were averaged (ie--three-way tie starting with 5th through 7th place, those teams each received 24 points (26+25+24)/3 = 24). 465 total points were given out in each category amongst the 30 teams...no team can get higher than 30 or lower than 1. 16 categories, 480 is the highest score possible (30 points in each category). 16 points obviously being the worst possible score (1 point in each category).

I might do that every few weeks just for fun.

[Shoalzie]

Showing my work...

[Scott]

Well done buddy..

[MSP4LYFE]

As expected goaltending is kicking my ass...Unfortunately it is seperating me from the great teams in the league, thus far anyhow.

[hong57]

seems something wrong with dallas' standing.. they missed a week?

early surprises:
Atlanta Thrashers!!

[Scott]

seems something wrong with dallas' standing.. they missed a week?

early surprises:
Atlanta Thrashers!!

Thanks hongster.. I fixed Dallas' score

[Robin Hood]

Figured it would spark a little conversation. Just three weeks in, some records could based on the strength or weakness of the opposition but this at least gives everyone an idea of how they stack up against everyone. Some teams could have some tough luck and just run into the wrong opponents at the wrong. It seems like our standings and these rankings are fairly close.

Just in case anyone cares...30 points for 1st in a category, 1 point for 30th. For any ties, the points were averaged (ie--three-way tie starting with 5th through 7th place, those teams each received 24 points (26+25+24)/3 = 24). 465 total points were given out in each category amongst the 30 teams...no team can get higher than 30 or lower than 1. 16 categories, 480 is the highest score possible (30 points in each category). 16 points obviously being the worst possible score (1 point in each category).

I might do that every few weeks just for fun.

roto is actually the worst way to analyze it. i agree scotts team has been the best team so far but roto skews the picture because for example, a team like Kareems if it were to face say Scotts would most likely win a majority of scoring categories and lose a majority of peripheries, but in roto, if kareems team is may be much worse in peripheries than it is better in scoring (I.e. kareem may rank 1st in goals, while scott ranks 5th, but kareem may rank 20th in blocked shots, while scott ranks 3rd). these stats are hypothetical of course but but in h2h those rankings dont matter at all. kareem would be MUCH farther behind in roto than he would in h2h.

if you REALLY want to do your homework, you would have to do this: take all the stats so far and match up EVERY team against every OTHER TEAM in the league. so take Washington and see what his record would have been against NJD, PHI, BOS, OTT, etc etc based on cumulative stats. this would give the record of each team collectively against all teams in the league. and then you could create a ranking. i guarantee the result would alter the rankings significantly (maybe not at the top of the list but certainly a good chunk of it).

[hong57]

Figured it would spark a little conversation. Just three weeks in, some records could based on the strength or weakness of the opposition but this at least gives everyone an idea of how they stack up against everyone. Some teams could have some tough luck and just run into the wrong opponents at the wrong. It seems like our standings and these rankings are fairly close.

Just in case anyone cares...30 points for 1st in a category, 1 point for 30th. For any ties, the points were averaged (ie--three-way tie starting with 5th through 7th place, those teams each received 24 points (26+25+24)/3 = 24). 465 total points were given out in each category amongst the 30 teams...no team can get higher than 30 or lower than 1. 16 categories, 480 is the highest score possible (30 points in each category). 16 points obviously being the worst possible score (1 point in each category).

I might do that every few weeks just for fun.

roto is actually the worst way to analyze it. i agree scotts team has been the best team so far but roto skews the picture because for example, a team like Kareems if it were to face say Scotts would most likely win a majority of scoring categories and lose a majority of peripheries, but in roto, if kareems team is may be much worse in peripheries than it is better in scoring (I.e. kareem may rank 1st in goals, while scott ranks 5th, but kareem may rank 20th in blocked shots, while scott ranks 3rd). these stats are hypothetical of course but but in h2h those rankings dont matter at all. kareem would be MUCH farther behind in roto than he would in h2h.

if you REALLY want to do your homework, you would have to do this: take all the stats so far and match up EVERY team against every OTHER TEAM in the league. so take Washington and see what his record would have been against NJD, PHI, BOS, OTT, etc etc based on cumulative stats. this would give the record of each team collectively against all teams in the league. and then you could create a ranking. i guarantee the result would alter the rankings significantly (maybe not at the top of the list but certainly a good chunk of it).

ur method has already been implemented in cbs.. the only feature that im impressed out of everything they provide lol

[Robin Hood]

Ah. Thanks hong. Rankings by H2H record vs the entire league so far:

Rank Team Points
1 New Jersey 2180
2 Boston 2095
3 Pittsburgh 2001
4 Washington 1914
5 St. Louis 1779
6 San Jose 1678
7 Vancouver 1604
8 LA 1600
9 Ottawa 1598
10 Montreal 1593
11 Colorado 1591
12 Toronto 1568
13 Chicago 1482
14 Columbus 1470
15 NYR 1425
16 Atlanta 1369
17 Phoenix 1345
18 Anaheim 1343
19 Tampa 1286
20 NYI 1241
21 Dallas 1224
22 Calgary 1209
23 Minnesota 1186
24 Buffalo 1181
25 Carolina 1026
26 Florida 957
27 Nashville 855
28 Detroit 853
29 Edmonton 793
30 Philly 314

[Shoalzie]

^ Where did you find that, Shiv?

[Shoalzie]

Figured it would spark a little conversation. Just three weeks in, some records could based on the strength or weakness of the opposition but this at least gives everyone an idea of how they stack up against everyone. Some teams could have some tough luck and just run into the wrong opponents at the wrong. It seems like our standings and these rankings are fairly close.

Just in case anyone cares...30 points for 1st in a category, 1 point for 30th. For any ties, the points were averaged (ie--three-way tie starting with 5th through 7th place, those teams each received 24 points (26+25+24)/3 = 24). 465 total points were given out in each category amongst the 30 teams...no team can get higher than 30 or lower than 1. 16 categories, 480 is the highest score possible (30 points in each category). 16 points obviously being the worst possible score (1 point in each category).

I might do that every few weeks just for fun.

roto is actually the worst way to analyze it. i agree scotts team has been the best team so far but roto skews the picture because for example, a team like Kareems if it were to face say Scotts would most likely win a majority of scoring categories and lose a majority of peripheries, but in roto, if kareems team is may be much worse in peripheries than it is better in scoring (I.e. kareem may rank 1st in goals, while scott ranks 5th, but kareem may rank 20th in blocked shots, while scott ranks 3rd). these stats are hypothetical of course but but in h2h those rankings dont matter at all. kareem would be MUCH farther behind in roto than he would in h2h.

if you REALLY want to do your homework, you would have to do this: take all the stats so far and match up EVERY team against every OTHER TEAM in the league. so take Washington and see what his record would have been against NJD, PHI, BOS, OTT, etc etc based on cumulative stats. this would give the record of each team collectively against all teams in the league. and then you could create a ranking. i guarantee the result would alter the rankings significantly (maybe not at the top of the list but certainly a good chunk of it).

I think you get a good indication of who the top teams using both methods of ranking. The team that is generally the highest in most, if not all, categories is going to be able beat the majority of the teams when you look at each stat category and compare them one-by-one. The roto rankings are kind of the stat power rankings...how well everyone is doing in each category. I think your idea would essentially be applying that information into actual game results.

[MSP4LYFE]

^ Where did you find that, Shiv?

CBS-->Standings-->Breakdown

http://bbkl.hockey.cbssports.com/standings/breakdown

The stats seem fairly accurate to me, save for Boston, a great deal of their points are coming off domination in the goaltending category, and that stat category is second only to +/- in it's inherent unpredictability, that and Thomas numbers are in no way sustainable.

[armandtanzarian]

Yea, that overpaid backup i got is definitely helping me out. Lets hope he can sustain his 0.5 GAA for at least a couple more months. Than maybe we can deal with it going to 1 say.

[MSP4LYFE]

Touche...

[shooker]

feel sorry for who ever played CBJ this week.....2 SO (one from conklin) 3 wins and under .5 gaa....thats full retard.

[MSP4LYFE]

I'm embarrassed...Perhaps I should change my approach, maybe there is something to karma, or universal kindness. With that in mind, I am going to make an honest effort to be more respectful and courteous in both victory and defeat.






























































Fuck that...Luke, you can go fuck yourself you lucky son of a bitch. I can't wait will week 20 to ruin your chance of making the playoffs, counting down the days baby, counting down the days...And Kyle, fuck you! You'll get your redemption in the playoffs BITCH!

[armandtanzarian]

haha...what did i do? Started your downward spiral? Don't hate the player, hate the game!

[MSP4LYFE]

Don't hate the player, hate the game!

I hate both.