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sgupca wroteCOLONIt's not hate for Seguin....i just think he's badly overrated. He has never done anything outside of his own team...cut from the WJ roster, didn't have a great showing at this summer WJ camp invites....

he's never stood out in any place except his own team....the Boston - Toronto deal never once bothered me....only because you landed Seguin...now if Boston had of drafted Hall - wow...i'd be pissed...lol

IMO Hall & Seguin shouldn't even be compared....two different levels....i'm not even sure i would have taken Seguin 2nd overall....I personally think Brett Connolly will go on to have a better NHL Career than Seguin.

I'm not saying this out of hate, I just don't see the 'completely game' other see in Seguin....maybe i'll be wrong, who knows really.

Sorry Steve, but thats complete BS. Tyler Seguin was the top scorer for Canada at the U18 Tournament prior to the start of the OHL season, and absolutely dominated the OHL for a weak Plymouth Whalers team as a late 17 year old. Sure he didn't make the WJC, but you have to remember that he was an early 92 birthdate, meaning he is a full development year behind Taylor Hall, further consider that Team Canada builds on a top 6 bottom 6 formula, in other words, there were two spots for Seguin to steal, the top line and second line center job, those jobs were inevitable won by Hodgson (lock and 3 development years ahead) and Kadri (two development years ahead and highly touted). Furthermore, it is not uncommon for junior players, particulaurly ones as young as Seguin to miss the cut their first attempt, you might recall: Steven Stamkos, Matt Duchene, Jordan Staal, Erik Gudbranson, and you're personal favourite Brett Connolly among others.

Tyler Seguin went second overall for a reason, he is a damn good player, and certainly in the same conversation as Taylor Hall as far as potential goes.

To be clear though, Tyler Seguin is NOT as sure a thing as it gets, like Kyle mentioned above, not even close...That title is reserved for the OV and Crosby's of the world, and to a lesser extent Steven Stamkos/Vincent Lecavalier.

mr. bruin wroteCOLONPS, Just remembered this, Kessel was a center before coming to Boston, then was modified to play wing! I know i had this discussion with someone.

That's irrelevent, he was always going to be a winger in the NHL, ALWAYS!

sgupca wroteCOLON

mr. bruin wroteCOLON
Connolly has the potential, but he also has the potential to blow out his hip in his first season! Seguin has a lot of built up anguish towards not making that team and has stated himself he is going to first, make the team, and second, prove the doubters wrong. He is a complete package of a player and if you like the Kessel deal because it was Seguin over Hall you are crazy. There is no way the difference is as big as you state.

PS, Just remembered this, Kessel was a center before coming to Boston, then was modified to play wing! I know i had this discussion with someone.

I agree, a player like Connolly has to hold up - as in stay injury free...

and trust me....Hall and Seguin are in completely different levels....i dont see many comparisions at all...other than their total points this year...and remember Hall played 10 fewer games.

And Seguin played on an inferior team, AND with one less development year in his back pocket. Its funny though, Hall is supposed to be the sniper, yet Seguin score more goals than him, and had a better shooting pct and gpg avg in only 6 less games (not 10). Wierd...

Tarasenko will be better then everybody, no big deal.

sgupca wroteCOLONnot sure which one you're "Geez"ing

I'm "geez"ing the trade, my good man...I don't get in the middle of that other stuff.

Snipeshow wroteCOLONTarasenko will be better then everybody, no big deal.

disagree lol. If its going to be a russian outta this years draft it will be burmistrov!

bryshook wroteCOLONdisagree lol. If its going to be a russian outta this years draft it will be burmistrov!

Agreed.

Mashley93 wroteCOLON btw i enabled multi-quote nesting finally! lol

kudos!

solid deal btw.

I'll stick with the dark-horse as the stand-out Russian (Kabanov), Tarasanko would be the expected IMO.


Tyler is not the goal scorer that Taylor is, although he did score more this year. But as you pointed out Kareem -> Taylor had other shooters on his team, and it would have been a mistake to not make use of them.

Tyler Seguin was the top scorer for Canada at the U18 Tournament prior to the start of the OHL season

I believe 2 or 3 canadians held that title if your talking about the Ivan Hlinka.... the u18 championship was a sad showing for canada this year, McFarland, Howden and Thomas were the only Canadians that looked ready to play. Also worth noting that McFarland captained the Ivan Hlinka, he is the prime example of how sometimes having a worse then expected season is worse then outright missing it (Connolly) or having injury excuses (Gudbranson), hell even a guy that cannot make any teams is more talked about (Kabanov).

The scary thing about Seguin is that he failed to standout at this year's WJC camp...aside from the physical testing.

facey wroteCOLONI'll stick with the dark-horse as the stand-out Russian (Kabanov), Tarasanko would be the expected IMO.


Tyler is not the goal scorer that Taylor is, although he did score more this year. But as you pointed out Kareem -> Taylor had other shooters on his team, and it would have been a mistake to not make use of them.

Tyler Seguin was the top scorer for Canada at the U18 Tournament prior to the start of the OHL season

I believe 2 or 3 canadians held that title if your talking about the Ivan Hlinka.... the u18 championship was a sad showing for canada this year, McFarland, Howden and Thomas were the only Canadians that looked ready to play. Also worth noting that McFarland captained the Ivan Hlinka, he is the prime example of how sometimes having a worse then expected season is worse then outright missing it (Connolly) or having injury excuses (Gudbranson), hell even a guy that cannot make any teams is more talked about (Kabanov).

The scary thing about Seguin is that he failed to standout at this year's WJC camp...aside from the physical testing.

Taylor was NEVER a victim of overpassing Nick...Trust me...That being said he is the better goal scorer, but that is not the point, the point is that Hall is not a superior player to Tyler Seguin, and by no means a lock to fulfill his potential.

As for the Ivan Hlinka, I recall Seguin winning the scoring title, but can't prove it, the official site does not show the stats, and I don't feel like manually counting the points after each contest, for each player...Below is the site if you want to take a look.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci ... a_id/1.htm

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON Taylor was NEVER a victim of overpassing Nick...Trust me...That being said he is the better goal scorer, but that is not the point, the point is that Hall is not a superior player to Tyler Seguin, and by no means a lock to fulfill his potential.

As for the Ivan Hlinka, I recall Seguin winning the scoring title, but can't prove it, the official site does not show the stats, and I don't feel like manually counting the points after each contest, for each player...Below is the site if you want to take a look.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci ... a_id/1.htm

Once again, back to Steve

i dont think he's going to be anything more than a 2nd line player at the NHL level.

I don't see in his game what others do...i never have. Like i said earlier, i think Horton will have a much bigger role with Boston than Seguin will....and not just this year...within the next 5 years.

Well to be fair Horton is gifted with stupid skill, he's the russian of canadians... except he's got edge and aggression, just not consistently enough, and to say he takes nights off is an understatement.

Seguin is a very very natural hockey player, great vision, soft hands, and a hard & accurate shot... all the tools one would ask a hockey player to develop/work on. I'm not so bold to say that he won't be a first line player, hell he could be a franchise player, personally I think he's got more ceiling then someone like Duchene (who some are already penciling in for the first line job). However, everyone know's I love Horton, always have.... But if someone where to offer me Seguin for him... I'd seriously have to consider....ultimately I'd say no, but I'd likely self-admit to being retarded in that situation.

IMO skill wise Horton > Hall > Seguin, but, Nathan is the lowest on hockey IQ, lowest on commitment, lowest on professional approach on and off the ice... but all of that somehow makes him like a pet project for my BBKL roster, which is otherwise full of committed, dedicated players. It also means he takes stupid penalties which helps his PIMS, even in games where he's nearly invisible.

Oh i just scanned the #'s Kareem, I think Seguin out-pointed McFarland by 1pt, Thomas had quiet a few as did a few others, but your point is well made -> Seguin was an elite offensive force as a world's best U18. But... 1 year prior to that, Hall led the team in scoring @ the 08' U18, the second @ the 08' Ivan Hanlika; at last year's WJC (U20) he was the only draft-elgible player on the team, was tied for 3rd in tourney scoring (with Jerry D'Amigo I believe), behind Stepan & Eberle if my memory serves me. I don't believe Hall >> Seguin, but I would argue that he's more proven, and harder to play against, and at least as high a ceiling, making him the easy #1 selection (it was for me at least), the more interesting debate IMO was the #3 spot, apparently NYI/TBL/etc disagreed. Skill vs Leadership, with neither player lacking in either department, Gormley splitting the difference...

/end rant

sgupca wroteCOLONOnce again, back to Steve

i dont think he's going to be anything more than a 2nd line player at the NHL level.

I don't see in his game what others do...i never have. Like i said earlier, i think Horton will have a much bigger role with Boston than Seguin will....and not just this year...within the next 5 years.

I guess we shall wait and see then.