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Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:00 pm
by MSP4LYFE
The Devil wroteCOLONIf Burke wouldn't move Kulemin to acquire Mike Richards then there's absolutely no way he'd move him for Jordan Staal.
He was willing to move both Kadri and Kulemin for Richards, it was the Flyers who rejected the deal.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:01 pm
by Chris
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLONIf Burke wouldn't move Kulemin to acquire Mike Richards then there's absolutely no way he'd move him for Jordan Staal.
He was willing to move both Kadri and Kulemin for Richards, it was the Flyers who rejected the deal.
Not true. They asked for Kulemin and Kadri - Burke said he'd think about it. They offered Kadri and someone else for Carter - Flyers' never returned their answer on the proposal.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:03 pm
by Shep
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLONIf Burke wouldn't move Kulemin to acquire Mike Richards then there's absolutely no way he'd move him for Jordan Staal.
He was willing to move both Kadri and Kulemin for Richards, it was the Flyers who rejected the deal.
Yes and no.

Dreger's tweet was this:
Flyers asked for Kadri and Kulemin from the Leafs for Mike Richards. Toronto said they would consider it, but never heard back from Phi

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:08 pm
by MSP4LYFE
Fair

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:18 pm
by shooker
Burke is full retard not to take that. The flyers got the better deal in the end though. Also, I will search for the link but I heard an interview with burke and it said that the kulemin + kadri offer was actually for carter and he didn't hear about Richards being on the block until after he moved. I remember that dreger tweet and it was the day of the trade before everything came out

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:24 pm
by shooker
Btw kulemin is better that staal for offense without a doubt imo. Staal imo is too defensive minded to cheat the amount needed to be a big point producer. Just my opinion.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:29 pm
by Nick
29 goal seasons versus one 30?

Seem to be placing too much emphasis on the last season.

Someone propose a bet - if J.Staal is within 5 points (or above) Kulemin (GP close as well, +/- 5) I get a 2nd 2012, if he's down by more then 5 bet acceptor gets a 2nd 2012.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:31 pm
by MSP4LYFE
Man up and do a straight points bet, no 5 or under bs.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:35 pm
by MSP4LYFE
shooker wroteCOLONBurke is full retard not to take that. The flyers got the better deal in the end though. Also, I will search for the link but I heard an interview with burke and it said that the kulemin + kadri offer was actually for carter and he didn't hear about Richards being on the block until after he moved. I remember that dreger tweet and it was the day of the trade before everything came out
There is no way Brian Burke offered Kulemin + Kadri (maybe one or the other) for Carter...Plus I've heard every Brian Burke interview since he was hired, and that seems like something I would recall if true.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:36 pm
by MSP4LYFE
shooker wroteCOLONBtw kulemin is better that staal for offense without a doubt imo. Staal imo is too defensive minded to cheat the amount needed to be a big point producer. Just my opinion.
Kulemin doesn't cheat much either, but his speed allows him to generate the counter attack quickly, and the wing is a far less defensive oriented position in general.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:45 pm
by Shep
Nick wroteCOLON29 goal seasons versus one 30?

Seem to be placing too much emphasis on the last season.

Someone propose a bet - if J.Staal is within 5 points (or above) Kulemin (GP close as well, +/- 5) I get a 2nd 2012, if he's down by more then 5 bet acceptor gets a 2nd 2012.
Points, straight up.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:46 pm
by Dutch Dreams
Staal has the ability to be a 30-30 guy if played in a more offensively-oriented role. I'm not worried about him being as productive as Kulemin.

The thing which makes me most uneasy is who does Staal play with? Kulemin, along with Grabovski and MacArthur represents and entire line which we know is effective. They have the potential to be a long-term part of our team's top-six identity, along with Kessel. Adding Staal would make it uncertain. He could even just continue to be used in a shutdown role, as Grabovski and MacArthur have good chemistry themselves, and Armstrong was very productive with Staal in his time.

Lupul - Connolly - Kessel
????-Grabovski-MacArthur
?????? - Staal - Armstrong
Brown - Bozak - ????????
Orr

Also, Kadri and somebody else for Carter? Don't want that loser around here. Glad that didn't go down. Richards would have been sick. We've got our leader on the back-end. With Richards we'd have one at forward.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:29 pm
by shooker
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
shooker wroteCOLONBurke is full retard not to take that. The flyers got the better deal in the end though. Also, I will search for the link but I heard an interview with burke and it said that the kulemin + kadri offer was actually for carter and he didn't hear about Richards being on the block until after he moved. I remember that dreger tweet and it was the day of the trade before everything came out
There is no way Brian Burke offered Kulemin + Kadri (maybe one or the other) for Carter...Plus I've heard every Brian Burke interview since he was hired, and that seems like something I would recall if true.
Did not say he offered it, he was offered it. That is the offer he had to think about not Richards. That is what I was saying.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:33 pm
by bills09
Rumor has it SJS has extended Logan Couture for 3 years

https://twitter.com/#!/brodiebrazilCSN/ ... 6058237952

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:50 am
by MSP4LYFE
shooker wroteCOLON
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
shooker wroteCOLONBurke is full retard not to take that. The flyers got the better deal in the end though. Also, I will search for the link but I heard an interview with burke and it said that the kulemin + kadri offer was actually for carter and he didn't hear about Richards being on the block until after he moved. I remember that dreger tweet and it was the day of the trade before everything came out
There is no way Brian Burke offered Kulemin + Kadri (maybe one or the other) for Carter...Plus I've heard every Brian Burke interview since he was hired, and that seems like something I would recall if true.
Did not say he offered it, he was offered it. That is the offer he had to think about not Richards. That is what I was saying.
Either way, it didn't happen. There is no way the Leafs would entertain an offer like that for Carter.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:41 pm
by bills09
bills09 wroteCOLONRumor has it SJS has extended Logan Couture for 3 years

https://twitter.com/#!/brodiebrazilCSN/ ... 6058237952
2 year extension, paying 2.75 year 1, 3M year 2.
annual cap hit of 2.875

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:43 pm
by Scott
bills09 wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLONRumor has it SJS has extended Logan Couture for 3 years

https://twitter.com/#!/brodiebrazilCSN/ ... 6058237952
2 year extension, paying 2.75 year 1, 3M year 2.
annual cap hit of 2.875
Steal

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:55 pm
by KapG
I guess im just the biggest kulemin homer, but im glad we never shipped out Kulemin AND Kadri for Carter.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:00 pm
by MSP4LYFE
The Devil wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLONRumor has it SJS has extended Logan Couture for 3 years

https://twitter.com/#!/brodiebrazilCSN/ ... 6058237952
2 year extension, paying 2.75 year 1, 3M year 2.
annual cap hit of 2.875
Steal
That is market value for an RFA who had a successful rookie campaign, not sure I'd call that a steal.

Re: NHL Transactions - Injuries and More Injuries

PostedCOLON Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:07 pm
by bills09
yep agreed, similar to when Kules signed his last contract