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Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:17 pm
by shooker
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONkyuss wroteCOLONmr. bruin wroteCOLONLol, you had a window of very high value. Shoulda moved him
yeah, for the peanuts i was offered?
and how high were the chances of Vokoun accepting to get 1/4 of his possible salary in this kind of FA? Caps would have stayed put otherwise..
also, Vokoun signed for only one season anyway..
If Vokoun has a successful season with the Capitals, and I bet he will, they will resign him quickly.
as a conn smythe winner lol. I actually love how the Capitals have gone about business this offseason. They have added alot of character to their locker room and other than the ward deal, have done so with good contracts.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:27 pm
by kyuss
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
If Vokoun has a successful season with the Capitals, and I bet he will, they will resign him quickly.
then they would trade away one of Neuvirth and Holtby.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:28 pm
by MSP4LYFE
kyuss wroteCOLONMSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
If Vokoun has a successful season with the Capitals, and I bet he will, they will resign him quickly.
then they would trade away one of Neuvirth and Holtby.
I agree completely.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:28 pm
by MSP4LYFE
shooker wroteCOLONMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONkyuss wroteCOLONmr. bruin wroteCOLONLol, you had a window of very high value. Shoulda moved him
yeah, for the peanuts i was offered?
and how high were the chances of Vokoun accepting to get 1/4 of his possible salary in this kind of FA? Caps would have stayed put otherwise..
also, Vokoun signed for only one season anyway..
If Vokoun has a successful season with the Capitals, and I bet he will, they will resign him quickly.
as a conn smythe winner lol. I actually love how the Capitals have gone about business this offseason. They have added alot of character to their locker room and other than the ward deal, have done so with good contracts.
I concur, they have had the best off season of any team in the East, IMO.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:00 pm
by shooker
I agree. The penguins lack depth
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:15 pm
by Robin Hood
shooker wroteCOLONmr. bruin wroteCOLONLol, you had a window of very high value. Shoulda moved him
+1 to this. IMO the key for a rebuilding team, hell any team for that matter.
Actually Mik is full of shit. I offered him Ville Leino + a 2nd Straight for Holtby at the deadline last year, only to have him decline it LOL. I have the MSN convo saved somewhere. He made the exact same mistake with Koivu.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:18 pm
by kyuss
SuperMario wroteCOLONshooker wroteCOLONmr. bruin wroteCOLONLol, you had a window of very high value. Shoulda moved him
+1 to this. IMO the key for a rebuilding team, hell any team for that matter.
Actually Mik is full of shit. I offered him Ville Leino + a 2nd Straight for Holtby at the deadline last year, only to have him decline it LOL. I have the MSN convo saved somewhere.
you sure about this? i could see this being one of those bogus reports you guys like to throw around.. i remember Leino being involved, and offered straight up at some point (after i got insulted in the previous months for not trading Holtby for a 3rd,lol), but tbh right now i don't remember Leino + 2nd.
I know your offer was the highest i've received for Holtby so far.
I think Billy only offered Bishop.
SuperMario wroteCOLONHe made the exact same mistake with Koivu.
looks like you don't get it..
i didn't trade Koivu to you before because it was the only way for me to get Malkin.
In the end i did get Malkin in a Koivu deal, so i'm not sure what you are still talking about.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:57 pm
by Robin Hood
kyuss wroteCOLONSuperMario wroteCOLONshooker wroteCOLONmr. bruin wroteCOLONLol, you had a window of very high value. Shoulda moved him
+1 to this. IMO the key for a rebuilding team, hell any team for that matter.
Actually Mik is full of shit. I offered him Ville Leino + a 2nd Straight for Holtby at the deadline last year, only to have him decline it LOL. I have the MSN convo saved somewhere.
you sure about this? i could see this being one of those bogus reports you guys like to throw around.. i remember Leino being involved, and offered straight up at some point (after i got insulted in the previous months for not trading Holtby for a 3rd,lol), but tbh right now i don't remember Leino + 2nd.
I know your offer was the highest i've received for Holtby so far.
I think Billy only offered Bishop.
SuperMario wroteCOLONHe made the exact same mistake with Koivu.
looks like you don't get it..
i didn't trade Koivu to you before because it was the only way for me to get Malkin.
In the end i did get Malkin in a Koivu deal, so i'm not sure what you are still talking about.
you overpaid for Malkin. you could have gotten a LOT more for koivu if you moved him by the deadline at his 3.2M cap hit last year.
and my offer of Leino + 2nd for Holtby is the truth. you say i only offered Leino for Holtby straight. but even if that is the case, i'd like to see you land anything more than a 2nd rounder for Holtby now.
you've made two critical errors as the GM of the preds. your team could have about 2 more SOLID assets if you hadn't made those mistakes.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:23 pm
by kyuss
SuperMario wroteCOLONkyuss wroteCOLONSuperMario wroteCOLON
Actually Mik is full of shit. I offered him Ville Leino + a 2nd Straight for Holtby at the deadline last year, only to have him decline it LOL. I have the MSN convo saved somewhere.
you sure about this? i could see this being one of those bogus reports you guys like to throw around.. i remember Leino being involved, and offered straight up at some point (after i got insulted in the previous months for not trading Holtby for a 3rd,lol), but tbh right now i don't remember Leino + 2nd.
I know your offer was the highest i've received for Holtby so far.
I think Billy only offered Bishop.
SuperMario wroteCOLONHe made the exact same mistake with Koivu.
looks like you don't get it..
i didn't trade Koivu to you before because it was the only way for me to get Malkin.
In the end i did get Malkin in a Koivu deal, so i'm not sure what you are still talking about.
you overpaid for Malkin. you could have gotten a LOT more for koivu if you moved him by the deadline at his 3.2M cap hit last year.
yeah, when he was out with a broken finger?
as for Malkin, i felt i was in a position to overpay for the better player. And since i think Mikko is a bit overrated it was an overpayment i was fine with, especially having to cut the roster.
Also, it is funny how you keep on bringing up the Malkin overpayment after your antics during negotiation about how much of a good deal i was getting from you.. lol, what a shameless clown.
and my offer of Leino + 2nd for Holtby is the truth. you say i only offered Leino for Holtby straight. but even if that is the case, i'd like to see you land anything more than a 2nd rounder for Holtby now.
that's what i remember.
and for some reasons you seem to think i have to sell him, lol.
Breaking news for you: unlike you, i don't feel like i have to sell every player that lands on my team.. i still like Holtby as i did a couple of days ago, and if a 2nd is what would be coming back to me, i have no problems keeping him.
you've made two critical errors as the GM of the preds. your team could have about 2 more SOLID assets if you hadn't made those mistakes.
i'm not sure how to make you realize about it, but your opinion doesn't mean that's true.
2 critical errors, lmao.. what i remember after my critical error #1 of not selling Mikko last year was you telling that no one would have had any interest in Mikko anymore under his new ridiculous contract..
guess who was asking for him the day after such contract kicked in?
oh, the irony
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:29 pm
by Robin Hood
mik lol i find it amazing that you twist the truth to make yourself feel better.
I'm pretty certain every gm in this league asked you about Koivu WELL before he got injured. you fucked up that play for sure. you could have gotten more assets and still gotten Malkin with profit left over from what you traded Koivu for. The overpayment for Malkin is not only the overpayment but the Opportunity Cost of what you lost on those other deals.
as far as Holtby is concerned, I'm sure you'll have to keep him. but it is a definite error to not trade him when you had the chance. He really is worthless now. Goalie prospects are the most fragile in value. They can skyrocket and plummet instantly. Holtby's stock did just that last year when both Varly and Neuvy were injured. You made the mistake of getting attached and not getting value then, and now his stock has plummeted because of trades/FA signings. How many chances do you think you as a GM will get to turn Holtby alone into a 50 point skater who is 27?
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:07 pm
by kyuss
SuperMario wroteCOLONmik lol i find it amazing that you twist the truth to make yourself feel better.
I'm pretty certain every gm in this league asked you about Koivu WELL before he got injured. you fucked up that play for sure. you could have gotten more assets and still gotten Malkin with profit left over from what you traded Koivu for. The overpayment for Malkin is not only the overpayment but the Opportunity Cost of what you lost on those other deals.
twisting reality to feel better, mmmh...
eventually, i got Malkin (and a 2nd 2012) for Smithson, Gleason and Hecht.
guess what, I'm quite fine with it; i'm not sure why i should feel the need to twist the truth..
hey, whatever you're talking about, it looks like i don't feel interested enough to make the effort needed to get it.. because i don't.
SuperMario wroteCOLONas far as Holtby is concerned, I'm sure you'll have to keep him. but it is a definite error to not trade him when you had the chance. He really is worthless now. Goalie prospects are the most fragile in value. They can skyrocket and plummet instantly. Holtby's stock did just that last year when both Varly and Neuvy were injured. You made the mistake of getting attached and not getting value then, and now his stock has plummeted because of trades/FA signings. How many chances do you think you as a GM will get to turn Holtby alone into a 50 point skater who is 27?
i am sure Billy should feel guilty for not trading Neuvirth before the Vokoun signing..
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370833
you know, i don't spend all my time trying to deal away players i like.
If when a bad break happens the terrible result is i still have the player i like instead of a 50 point skater, i really don't see the problem or fault with that.
Re: VOKOUN TO WASHINGTON!
PostedCOLON Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:52 pm
by Shep
Vokoun is unreal.