PIT/FLA

[Shoalzie]

Nice sell high spot on Ellerby.

[Nick]

20 games into this season sure, when both of them have had concussions this season… I'd take Lucic over Kunitz as well, but either of them with 2 scrubs on a line (McClement + Hendricks for example) will do nothing compared to what Skinner or Semin would do on that same line.

[Robin Hood]

20 games into this season sure, when both of them have had concussions this season… I'd take Lucic over Kunitz as well, but either of them with 2 scrubs on a line (McClement + Hendricks for example) will do nothing compared to what Skinner or Semin would do on that same line.

You keep evaluating by the same metric: "Which player can produce more without linemates"

Sure. Gaborik, Semin, Skinner,Wheeler, Vanek can probably produce more offence.

But that is not the only metric.

There's durability. There's the ability to play a 2-way game. The ability to grind. The ability to be more than just an offensive force (e.g. the threat of a Lucic check versus Gaborik and Semin coasting).

Which is why your argument is ridiculous.

[Nick]

MUCH bigger group of wingers who can provide some scoring with some grind than the guys who can make plays.


Is Bergeron better than Stamkos?

[Robin Hood]

MUCH bigger group of wingers who can provide some scoring with some grind than the guys who can make plays.

Lucic and Kunitz are super rare as players (they're different from each other too, but super rare).

I bet you think Lucic vs guys like Downie and Hartnell is close after that statement?

Is Bergeron better than Stamkos?

I know in your world, this is a no-brainer. Going forward it is. Past 3 years? I think it is fucking tough.

Toews or Stamkos? I take Toews every time.

[The BBKL Insider]

i wouldn't trade Lucic for Kunitz, that said Kunitz is pretty sick for his cap hit

[bills09]

If I was an nhl gm I'd take stamkos over toews if I was building an nhl team

[bills09]

the top 30 wingers in the world all make offence on their own…

Guys like Ovy, Perry, Eberle, Hall,Hossa, Sharp,Pomms, Zertty, Kane, Kane, MSL, Kessel, Sharp, Ryan,Ladd, Sedin, Oshie, Perron, Jagr, Wheeler, Parise, JvR, Lupul, Vanek, Alfie, Iggy, Skinner, Semin, Callahan, Gaborik, Marleau, Landy, RoR*, Loui, --> who in that list is he a better winger than? He's somewhere in the next tier, with Chris Stewart, Jakob Voracek, Doan, Lucic, Moulson, Glencorss, Steen**, Michalek, Ryder, (big group tired of naming wingers).

No Nash in the top 30?

[Nick]

previously mentioned, but of course he is, top 5 IMO.

[kimmer]

rick nash is a top 5 winger? LOL

[bills09]

If we're talking all world kovy as well

[Nick]

Ovy, Kovy, Nash, Perry, Parise -> no particular order.

[bills09]

I'd take St. Louis over nash

[bills09]

Hell I'd probably take kessel over nash

[bills09]

Hell I'd probably take kessel over nash

[Tony]

Nash is a 6'4 vagina

[Arian The Insider]

Rick Nash is the most overrated player IMO

[MSP4LYFE]

I'd take Lucic over Skinner or Semin in a New York minute.

[MSP4LYFE]

MUCH bigger group of wingers who can provide some scoring with some grind than the guys who can make plays.


Is Bergeron better than Stamkos?

I completely disagree with this. There is a reason Lucic is so highly regarded in real life, there are like one or two players who play that way in the entire NHL!

[Robin Hood]

Arguing with Nick's "scouting" is like banging your head against a wall.