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facey wroteCOLONIt's the same for everyone, I struggle to see how that's unfair.


Yes it is a smaller 'sample-size' of gp for comparing the statistics for two teams, but even a normal week is based on who gets hot, sometimes even for just 1 day... so no it's not ideal, but it's also not biased.


The hottest offensive player in the NHL ran cold this week, the two coldest players on my team woke up with goal(s)... it's random as always!!!

There are so many factors you are ignoring here...

The GP differential is less meaningful over a 7 day stretch than it is over 3 days based simply on total games played, not to mention that players nursing injuries, and more specifically goaltenders are less likely to start during this stretch so as to gain a longer rest period (over ASB) than they otherwise would have, a prime example is Andrew Ladd this week, or the almost scenario with Raycroft and Vokoun. Not to mention that the best teams win FAR MORE OFTEN than not over 7 days, I'd wager my house the odds are far less in favor of the better team in 3 days.

Furthermore, when you have a team full of 20 players, hot and cold streaks tend to balance out over a week, over 3 days the HOT team will win far more often than not, if not every single time.

You continually bring up that it is the same for everyone but that is not necessarily the case...The difference in games played, injuries, and opponent during a shortened week demonstrate that, you can argue that it is the same for every week, but as I have pointed out above, those differences are heightened during a shortened week and can potentially ruin or unfairly alter tight races down the stretch.

Place yourself in the worst case scenario, would you be completely satisfied with the shortened week?

The worst thing about the shortened week is goalie games. My matchup for example.. SO = me fucked. If it were a normal week where there is 3-4 games, you still have a chance to win a couple of goalie cats. The most I can hope for is a SO to tie all 4 cats.. absolutely no chance at winning a category.

The Devil wroteCOLONThe worst thing about the shortened week is goalie games. My matchup for example.. SO = me fucked. If it were a normal week where there is 3-4 games, you still have a chance to win a couple of goalie cats. The most I can hope for is a SO to tie all 4 cats.. absolutely no chance at winning a category.

Billy got 24 mins of shtoi on the first night, over a full week I destroy him in that cat every time, over 3 days I'm fucked.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON

The Devil wroteCOLONThe worst thing about the shortened week is goalie games. My matchup for example.. SO = me fucked. If it were a normal week where there is 3-4 games, you still have a chance to win a couple of goalie cats. The most I can hope for is a SO to tie all 4 cats.. absolutely no chance at winning a category.

Billy got 24 mins of shtoi on the first night, over a full week I destroy him in that cat every time, over 3 days I'm fucked.

Agreed.. I was way down in that cat too. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that the short week is retarded.. because it is lol. Over 7 full days of hockey, you have an opportunity to make up ground.. in 3 days it's rather tough.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
There are so many factors you are ignoring here...

Nope... smaller-sample size covers every single issue you brought up... less reliable but still valid, and it's not like it's a biased sample size... still random.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON

Furthermore, when you have a team full of 20 players, hot and cold streaks tend to balance out over a week, over 3 days the HOT team will win far more often than not, if not every single time.

Really??? I don't think that statement is very well grounded....the HOT team wins way more often in the 7 day week as well... its not like we've gone down to a single day, its 1/2 the normal size. I don't think HOT streaks end in a single week, they often span longer then one scoring period for us.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON You continually bring up that it is the same for everyone but that is not necessarily the case...

No, it really is; Every BBKL team is battling in a shortened week = same for everyone.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON The difference in games played, injuries, and opponent during a shortened week demonstrate that, you can argue that it is the same for every week, but as I have pointed out above, those differences are heightened during a shortened week and can potentially ruin or unfairly alter tight races down the stretch.

It's just as likely that a win by a good team is bigger then it should be, or that the score is exactly the same... a shortened week is not an advantage for a shittier team, or a better team, its simply a smaller sample size of the teams combined production. It's not like 7 days is exactly a good judge of what a team is, that's just our chosen period for each comparison.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON Place yourself in the worst case scenario, would you be completely satisfied with the shortened week?

Never said I would be, not like my situation has been ideal... Lee's Flyers with what must be 2 excellent offensive days for them, actually reasonable goaltending performance by Elliot (right up until Kovalev forgot he was still playing hockey) ---- Benn going down with an injury in the first period, knowing Kane wouldn't come back from an injury for a single game before a break, Ribby who had the longest active point streak being too hung over in Vancouver to continue scoring... all unique to this short week.


So,

Yes it is a smaller 'sample-size' of gp for comparing the statistics for two teams, but even a normal week is based on who gets hot, sometimes even for just 1 day... so no it's not ideal, but it's also not biased.

its only unfair if your losing

bills09 wroteCOLONits only unfair if your losing

It isn't that it's unfair.. it's more the fact that it's stupid. It's nearly impossible to make up ground. In my matchup, I'm winning the skater cats 7-4 with 0 chance of winning any goalie cats due to the shutout.

I agree with Nick in the fact it isn't Bias in the sense of the word, it doesn't favour one team over another. However it is stupid, a smaller sample size is much less likely to dictate a teams true ability, and this smaller sample size will hold the same weight in the overall standings as the rest of the weeks do = stupid. The fact that we treat shortened weeks earlier in the season in a different manner makes it even stranger.

facey wroteCOLONNope... smaller-sample size covers every single issue you brought up... less reliable but still valid, and it's not like it's a biased sample size... still random.

Doesn't cover GP, and doesn't cover the injury issue...Nor does it cover the issue that this one week is completely inconsistent with every other week in our season.

facey wroteCOLONReally??? I don't think that statement is very well grounded....the HOT team wins way more often in the 7 day week as well... its not like we've gone down to a single day, its 1/2 the normal size. I don't think HOT streaks end in a single week, they often span longer then one scoring period for us.

I call BS, the elite teams win FAR, FAR, MORE OFTEN than not, hell Scott has only lost once in the last two seasons, and is very likely to fall to a far less superior team in Vancouver, and I'm on pace to lose to a team that hasn't beat me once all season. We are playing with several different players on several different teams, with multiple different categories ranging from scoring to defense to goal tending to outcome of the game. Over the course of a week that balances out, it is very rare that one team gets blazing hot in all of these cats, and the other goes ice cold, very, very rare...

facey wroteCOLONNo, it really is; Every BBKL team is battling in a shortened week = same for everyone.

Not every team has the same amount of gp, that is a big issue in 3 days.

facey wroteCOLONIt's just as likely that a win by a good team is bigger then it should be, or that the score is exactly the same... a shortened week is not an advantage for a shittier team, or a better team, its simply a smaller sample size of the teams combined production. It's not like 7 days is exactly a good judge of what a team is, that's just our chosen period for each comparison.

LOL...Look at the scores, this isn't a balance league, there are great teams, and there are awful teams, the great teams almost always win by a gigantic score, this shortened week is a significant advantage for shittier teams, and has almost no benefits to good teams.

facey wroteCOLONNever said I would be, not like my situation has been ideal... Lee's Flyers with what must be 2 excellent offensive days for them, actually reasonable goaltending performance by Elliot (right up until Kovalev forgot he was still playing hockey) ---- Benn going down with an injury in the first period, knowing Kane wouldn't come back from an injury for a single game before a break, Ribby who had the longest active point streak being too hung over in Vancouver to continue scoring... all unique to this short week.

All the more reason we should change it for the future.

facey wroteCOLONYes it is a smaller 'sample-size' of gp for comparing the statistics for two teams, but even a normal week is based on who gets hot, sometimes even for just 1 day... so no it's not ideal, but it's also not biased.[/b]

No one said it was biased, but I think alot of us are arguing that it is retarded.

inferno31 wroteCOLONI agree with Nick in the fact it isn't Bias in the sense of the world, it doesn't favour one team over another. However it is stupid, a smaller sample size is much less likely to dictate a teams true ability, and this smaller sample size will hold the same weight in the overall standings as the rest of the weeks do = stupid. The fact that we treat shortened weeks earlier in the season in a different manner makes it even stranger.

As usual, I couldn't have said it any better.

bills09 wroteCOLONits only unfair if your losing

You mad?

The Devil wroteCOLON

bills09 wroteCOLONits only unfair if your losing

It isn't that it's unfair.. it's more the fact that it's stupid. It's nearly impossible to make up ground. In my matchup, I'm winning the skater cats 7-4 with 0 chance of winning any goalie cats due to the shutout.

And see if you look at my matchup there would be a decent chance that I would catch Shiv. We all know Price should be able to outdual the WSH duo. Price had one bad game and now goalie cats are gone. On top of the fact that were both close in a number of cats. Now my shot at catching Mike and a shot at more favorable matchups is severly diminsihed...not cool. lol.

I think most can agree that it should be treated just like the start of the season. One can argue the impact as to be substantial or not but the fact remains playoff placements can be determined by single points or even tie breakers. Every point counts in our league of 30 teams. Having a short week like this throws a monkey wrench into the equation.

mr. bruin wroteCOLONI think most can agree that it should be treated just like the start of the season. One can argue the impact as to be substantial or not but the fact remains playoff placements can be determined by single points or even tie breakers. Every point counts in our league of 30 teams. Having a short week like this throws a monkey wrench into the equation.

I lost any chance at winning my division thanks to this week, granted the bulk of the blame for that goes to the idiot who made the schedule, but nonetheless it showcases the stupidity of a short week.

lol. But like Mike mentioned, not sure if it technically is possible to modify that in CBS unless we keep track of it ourselves when creating the schedule. So I would be matched up against Florida again next week. Might be the way to do it. This is one of those things that was overlooked that we will have to remember for next year.

Perhaps we can just ignore the points on our standings in the future? Mike and the admins input the playoff match ups if I'm not mistaken, so it shouldn't be too big of an issue.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONPerhaps we can just ignore the points on our standings in the future? Mike and the admins input the playoff match ups if I'm not mistaken, so it shouldn't be too big of an issue.

How about a better solution.
Any points garnered this week are multiplied by 0.5 and added to the standings as such. Its half a week, treat it in the standings as half a week.

How does ANY of the blame go to the schedule creator?

inferno31 wroteCOLONHow about a better solution.
Any points garnered this week are multiplied by 0.5 and added to the standings as such. Its half a week, treat it in the standings as half a week.

I didn't even think of that, but that is an awesome solution, is there anyway we can implement that strategy this season?