New Conferences

[MSP4LYFE]

I find it hilarious that Mik was against division re-alignment when it served to make the West stronger citing that parity will remedy itself, but now that it serves to harm his own team it is suddenly unfair, and not subject to change over time. Hypocrisy at it's finest, doesn't matter though, the CC is almost unanimous (Mik excluded) on following the NHL's model.

[kyuss]

I find it hilarious that Mik was against division re-alignment when it served to make the West stronger citing that parity will remedy itself,

i'm not sure you missed the post in the CC forum where i tried to explain this to you, or if you're just failing to understand. Anyway, here is again for everyone..

first of all, i'm NOT against realignment. Not sure why you had to make that up.

second, i voted against switching teams, for several reasons:
- imbalance is not set in stone, like the Central division story showed,
- requests were results of personal interests and would set a bad precedent
- more importantly, switches would have brought a lot of unnecessary confusion.

none of those reasons gets involved here:
- my point does not reference to a particular division/conference, it's related to ANY conference where an unbalance would happen (they do happen.. and change)
- using a different way of playoff seeding would not bring any confusion (even more so when we already use an extra-divisions ranking..)

the point of using a different playoff seeding system would be avoiding the maximization of the bad effects of temporary yet inevitable unbalances, NOT running after unbalances with artificial fixes like you wanted to do. Oh, and making RS final weeks more interesting.

but now that it serves to harm his own team it is suddenly unfair, and not subject to change over time.

it serves to harm my own team?
i will make the playoffs next year anyway, and the following yrs as well.. you probably fail to realize that and think out of your ass as a result.
You are actually the one who always wanted to change things out of personal interest, even switching teams and creating lots of unnecessary confusion.
If anything, currently the teams from the new Eastern Conference would be the ones negatively affected by the NHL change.

Hypocrisy at it's finest, doesn't matter though, the CC is almost unanimous (Mik excluded) on following the NHL's model.

i see you feel the urgency to jump on the new system.. how's that doesn't surprise me one bit lol.

[MSP4LYFE]

Just admit that you don't like the idea of your division becoming a harder conference. There is no confusion with your posts, your points are weak and hypocritical, there is a reason no one in the CC is on the same page as you. If this issue stood to benefit your team I have no doubt that you would be in favor of it.

[MSP4LYFE]

i will make the playoffs next year anyway, and the following yrs as well.. you probably fail to realize that and think out of your ass as a result.

Despite playing in one of the weakest conferences in BBKL you are still out of the post season, by a good margin I might add. Moving forward, you are screwed. You will never make it over: MIN, CHI, CBJ and STL, and as a result you are scrambling to have the current system changed.

As for my opinion on the new system, I could care less, my reasoning was simple, we undertake the new conferences because the NHL has, nothing more, nothing less. Unlike you I have the team to compete in a strong division.

[kyuss]

i will make the playoffs next year anyway, and the following yrs as well.. you probably fail to realize that and think out of your ass as a result.

Despite playing in one of the weakest conferences in BBKL..

uh? currently there are only 2 conferences, and i play in the toughest division of the Western.

..you are still out of the post season, by a good margin I might add. Moving forward, you are screwed. You will never make it over: MIN, CHI, CBJ and STL, and as a result you are scrambling to have the current system changed.

i'll never make out?
i will, it's just your judgement sucks (see link below for further reference).
The new NHL system would have made it difficult for me to reach the playoffs this season, not in the future.
http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3139 ... =20#p40300
ahh, i must be on crack again eh?

don't worry, i've bookmarked this and instead of discussing it further, i'll just bring it up when you'll be proved wrong, again.
In the meantime, if you will we could make a bet about it, i hope your down for this!

Just admit that you don't like the idea of your division becoming a harder conference.

being convinced i'll make the playoffs anyway, i actually like to have at least 5 competive teams in my conference moving forward, cause it will make for an entertaining RS.

What i don't like is that the new NHL playoff system will penalize too much some bbkl teams (currently the main suspects are from the future Eastern Conference), and the fact some other Conference might become boring:
in a conference with 4 good teams and 3 poor teams there wouldn't be much to compete for and PO spots would be decided months before the end of the season. :yawn:

There is no confusion with your posts, your points are weak and hypocritical,

i see you struggle to get my points; i have an advantage here, i don't face that risk as yours are non-existent.

[As for my opinion on the new system, I could care less, my reasoning was simple, we undertake the new conferences because the NHL has, nothing more, nothing less. Unlike you I have the team to compete in a strong division.

lmao, strong division? last time i checked you won't be part of the Eastern Conference.
Considering you always tried to escape it, it's easy to guess that's the reason why you like this, as it provides you a wait out.

[Tunic]

LOL there will be so many complaints in the first season about good teams not making the playoffs!

[MSP4LYFE]

Ugh, you are a special type of idiot, debating with you is a tough task, both because I don't speak Italian, and because you insist upon having an argument despite strong evidence to the contrary. However, I will set the record straight:

1) The Central division is not the strongest division in the Western conference, it is the most competitive due to the lack of an elite team, but not the best. The best division is the Pacific Division due to the inclusion of the best Western team, a top 6 team (SJS), another playoff team (ANA), and one just barely on the outside looking in (PHX). This is in contrast to the Central who's second and third best teams are in the midst of a retool/rebuild, and two teams (DET/NSH) far out of the post season. You have an argument over the North West, but being the second worst division in BBKL is hardly an accomplishment, and might I just add that Colorado (when healthy and managed) is superior to any team in the West not named Los Angeles.

2) You have proven me wrong how exactly? TBL, TOR, WSH, BOS are among the very best teams in the league (I included COL and LAK as contenders in the West). The only error is including NJD who shortly thereafter decided to rebuild. Unless you think the standings are an accurate reflection of a teams strength, in which case you are still on crack.

3) No conference has a perfect balance of 4 good teams and 3/4 poor ones, and even if it did, that is something that as you claimed in the summer "can change over time."

4) There is nothing ground breaking about your arguments, my very first post in the CC about re-allignment addressed them as a con. The issue is that you fail to acknowledge the shortcomings of the current system vs the new one, undoubtedly because one favors your team.

5) I'm in first place in the superior conference, you can put me anywhere you want and it won't matter, but I can see why you are so passionate about re-alignment with your crap shack of a roster, I doubt you will make the playoffs again under the new format, and yes I would be willing to wager that for next season.

[kimmer]

I think Kyuss' roster's pretty good... he's got Zetterberg and Malkin and shit...

[Chris]

I think Kyuss' roster's pretty good... he's got Zetterberg and Malkin and shit...

Whoop-de-do.

[Robin Hood]

Welcome to my division, Kareem. This is going to be exciting.

I personally don't mind the alignment in the real NHL and absolutely LOVE it in BBKL. It's going to change the dynamic all together.

[kyuss]

Ugh, you are a special type of idiot, debating with you is a tough task, both because I don't speak Italian, and because you insist upon having an argument despite strong evidence to the contrary. However, I will set the record straight:

1) The Central division is not the strongest division in the Western conference, it is the most competitive due to the lack of an elite team, but not the best. The best division is the Pacific Division due to the inclusion of the best Western team, a top 6 team (SJS), another playoff team (ANA), and one just barely on the outside looking in (PHX). This is in contrast to the Central who's second and third best teams are in the midst of a retool/rebuild, and two teams (DET/NSH) far out of the post season.

way to disregard your argument on your own.
(i already made the playoffs last year btw, and by a fair margin)

2) You have proven me wrong how exactly?

you said i was on crack because i maintained it was far from obvious which division would be the best moving forward between the Central and the NorthWest: it didn't even took one season for you to be proven completely wrong, as they are comparable to say the least. Right now Central conference teams have actually recorded 54 pts more than the NorthWest teams, lol.
You'll be proven wrong on me not making out of my new conference as well.

3) No conference has a perfect balance of 4 good teams and 3/4 poor ones, and even if it did, that is something that as you claimed in the summer "can change over time."

u keep ignoring my point: it can change, but no reason not to make it less penalizing when it occurs.

4) There is nothing ground breaking about your arguments, my very first post in the CC about re-allignment addressed them as a con. The issue is that you fail to acknowledge the shortcomings of the current system vs the new one, undoubtedly because one favors your team.

nope, the current one has its shortcomings. We now have the chance to change it for a better one, and i wouldn't like to change it for a worse one instead.

5) I'm in first place in the superior conference, you can put me anywhere you want and it won't matter, but I can see why you are so passionate about re-alignment with your crap shack of a roster, I doubt you will make the playoffs again under the new format, and yes I would be willing to wager that for next season.

lol, already backing out from your claim that i "will never make it over: MIN, CHI, CBJ and STL" ?

[Robin Hood]

We emulate the NHL. And like it or not the divisions will be realigned next year. We will figure out everything else.

[kyuss]

We emulate the NHL. And like it or not the divisions will be realigned next year.

i guess you didn't read much of the previous posts.. i have no problem with following the NHL realignment per se.

[Arian The Insider]

i don't mind it for bbkl but it makes the nhl straight up gay now

[MSP4LYFE]

way to disregard your argument on your own.
(i already made the playoffs last year btw, and by a fair margin)

I don't even know what you are talking about.

you said i was on crack because i maintained it was far from obvious which division would be the best moving forward between the Central and the NorthWest: it didn't even took one season for you to be proven completely wrong, as they are comparable to say the least. Right now Central conference teams have actually recorded 54 pts more than the NorthWest teams, lol.
You'll be proven wrong on me not making out of my new conference as well.

You are so full of shit it isn't even funny, the comparability is due to the fact that Bergey and Shooker quit. You are correct by fluke, not because your opinion has any basis. Furthermore, the amount of points a team has means literally nothing. I have more points than Tampa Bay, to date Tampa Bay has been a superior team. Opponents and luck play a large role in points, as demonstrated by Hong's success, it is hardly reflective of actual strength however. That said, I don't doubt the Central is better simply because the two best teams in the North West quit over the summer/opening month.

u keep ignoring my point: it can change, but no reason not to make it less penalizing when it occurs.

It's not terribly penalizing as is, I would argue it is even better than the current system. Places more strain on mediocre teams, Western conference (inferior conference) has lesser odds of making the post-season etc. Also builds stronger rivalries and improves excitement. Your argument is valid, but not a big enough concern to warrant changing the playoff alignment.

nope, the current one has its shortcomings. We now have the chance to change it for a better one, and i wouldn't like to change it for a worse one instead.

In your opinion, one that no one else shares, I might add

lol, already backing out from your claim that i "will never make it over: MIN, CHI, CBJ and STL" ?

I just stated that I would take that bet for next season...There is no way to hold a bet that lasts forever, which is what "never" means, so I'm not sure what you are getting at. Likely just an attempt to back out of your proposed wager.

[MSP4LYFE]

We emulate the NHL. And like it or not the divisions will be realigned next year.

i guess you didn't read much of the previous posts.. i have no problem with following the NHL realignment per se.

Same rules apply for the playoffs, and everything else for that matter. We follow the NHL to a T, whenever possible.

[kyuss]

way to disregard your argument on your own.
(i already made the playoffs last year btw, and by a fair margin)

I don't even know what you are talking about.

you said i was on crack because i maintained it was far from obvious which division would be the best moving forward between the Central and the NorthWest: it didn't even took one season for you to be proven completely wrong, as they are comparable to say the least. Right now Central conference teams have actually recorded 54 pts more than the NorthWest teams, lol.
You'll be proven wrong on me not making out of my new conference as well.

You are so full of shit it isn't even funny, the comparability is due to the fact that Bergey and Shooker quit. You are correct by fluke, not because your opinion has any basis.

by fluke? you mean things changed? that's what we had been telling you.. things do change (would have changed anyway albeit slowlier) and that's why it made no sense to switch teams and create lots of confusion to go after temporary unbalance (even more so when a league realignment was coming up anyway).
btw, shooker's team is still exactly the same he assembled.

I just stated that I would take that bet for next season...There is no way to hold a bet that lasts forever, which is what "never" means, so I'm not sure what you are getting at. Likely just an attempt to back out of your proposed wager.

lol, not at all: http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=6251
it's waiting for your confirmation.

[MSP4LYFE]

by fluke? you mean things changed? that's what we had been telling you.. things do change (would have changed anyway albeit slowlier) and that's why it made no sense to switch teams and create lots of confusion to go after temporary unbalance (even more so when a league realignment was coming up anyway).
btw, shooker's team is still exactly the same he assembled.

The turnover among elite managers was non-existent until this season, if the natural progression dictates that such managers will continue to leave this league is in trouble because you don't just replace guys like that... It was a fluke, and nothing more, but my general point still stands, the Western Conference is inferior to the Eastern Conference. That fact has remained constant every season since this league began, and does not look to change anytime soon. Had I known a re-alignment was coming I would be less aggressive in my approach, I will give you that, but even then there is a strong case for team swaps.

As for Colorado, Shooker would have made changes as the season progressed. Specifically bringing in healthy players to make up for his injuries. It is quite clear that is a top team in the West, if you disagree I don't know what to tell you...

lol, not at all: http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=6251
it's waiting for your confirmation.

Confirmed.

[Shep]

i don't mind it for bbkl but it makes the nhl straight up gay now

It's WAY better for the NHL.

[armandtanzarian]

How do you guys do those multi quotes?