TOR/WSH

[shooker]

You dislike sekera but think franson is the second coming of Christ... He is an offensive dman, those aren't usually top pairing guys but have value none the less.

[Robin Hood]

You dislike sekera but think franson is the second coming of Christ... He is an offensive dman, those aren't usually top pairing guys but have value none the less.

never once did i say franson is the second coming of Christ. he will be a solid #3/4 d man.

[Nick]

I think sekera is a really really good dman. He's a slick mother faker and isn't bad in his own end either.

[Robin Hood]

And how do you know this as a matter of fact?

Sekera would not make top pairing on ANY NHL team. He would not make top 2 pairings on a LOT of nhl teams as well.

NJD - Volchenkov, Greene, Tallinder, Larsson
NYR - Staal, Girardi
NYI - Streit, Hamonic
PIT - Letang, Orpik, Martin, Michalek
PHI - Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn

TOR - Phaneuf, Schenn, Franson, Liles
OTT - Gonchar, Phillips, Karlsson
MTL - Markov, Subban, Gill, Gorges
BUF - Ehrhoff, Myers, Regehr
BOS - Chara, Seidenberg, Corvo

WSH - Green, Carlsson, Wideman
TBL - Brewer, Hedman, Kubina
WPG - Byfuglien, Enstrom, Bogosian
FLA - Campbell, Jovonovski, Kulikov, GudB
CAR - McBain, Kaberle, Pitkanen

DET - Lidstrom, Kronwall, Stuart
CHI - Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmmarsson
STL - Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk
CBJ - Wisniewski, Tyutin, Russell
NSH - Weber, Suter, Klein

CGY - JayBo, Giordano
VAN - Edler, Ballard, Hamhuis
EDM - Whitney, Barker
MIN - Zidlicky, Zanon, Schultz
COL - Johnson,

LA - Doughty, Johnson
SJS - Boyle, Burns, Murray
PHX - Yandle
DAL - Goligoski, Robidas,
ANA - Fowler, Visnovsky, Lydman

[Robin Hood]

yes i had time on my hands.

[Nick]

Barker? When was the last time u watched either guy play shiv?

[Robin Hood]

Barker? When was the last time u watched either guy play shiv?

I should have posted saying that EDM is one of the handful of teams where Sekera gets a good amount of ice time.

[MSP4LYFE]

I think sekera is a really really good dman. He's a slick mother faker and isn't bad in his own end either.

Finally...The disagreement phase is over, keep it up Nicholas. I was worried, for a while there, I didn't agree with anything you said.

[MSP4LYFE]

And how do you know this as a matter of fact?

Sekera would not make top pairing on ANY NHL team. He would not make top 2 pairings on a LOT of nhl teams as well.

NJD - Volchenkov, Greene, Tallinder, Larsson
NYR - Staal, Girardi
NYI - Streit, Hamonic
PIT - Letang, Orpik, Martin, Michalek
PHI - Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn

TOR - Phaneuf, Schenn, Franson, Liles
OTT - Gonchar, Phillips, Karlsson
MTL - Markov, Subban, Gill, Gorges
BUF - Ehrhoff, Myers, Regehr
BOS - Chara, Seidenberg, Corvo

WSH - Green, Carlsson, Wideman
TBL - Brewer, Hedman, Kubina
WPG - Byfuglien, Enstrom, Bogosian
FLA - Campbell, Jovonovski, Kulikov, GudB
CAR - McBain, Kaberle, Pitkanen

DET - Lidstrom, Kronwall, Stuart
CHI - Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmmarsson
STL - Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk
CBJ - Wisniewski, Tyutin, Russell
NSH - Weber, Suter, Klein

CGY - JayBo, Giordano
VAN - Edler, Ballard, Hamhuis
EDM - Whitney, Barker
MIN - Zidlicky, Zanon, Schultz
COL - Johnson,

LA - Doughty, Johnson
SJS - Boyle, Burns, Murray
PHX - Yandle
DAL - Goligoski, Robidas,
ANA - Fowler, Visnovsky, Lydman

Criteria? A list of names is meaningless without one.

[Robin Hood]

the most basic one kareem. finite ice time.

[MSP4LYFE]

the most basic one kareem. finite ice time.

Total or per game?

[MSP4LYFE]

If the answer is per game, than by your criteria, the 5 best defenceman this past season were:

1. Duncan Keith
2. Dan Boyle
3. Jay Bouwmeester
4. Marc Staal
5. Drew Doughty

If the answer is total, than by your criteria, the 5 best defenceman this past season were:

1. Duncan Keith
2. Jay Bouwmeester
3. Shea Weber
4. Zdeno Chara
5. Joe Corvo

Is that correct?

[Robin Hood]

If the answer is per game, than by your criteria, the 5 best defenceman this past season were:

1. Duncan Keith
2. Dan Boyle
3. Jay Bouwmeester
4. Marc Staal
5. Drew Doughty

If the answer is total, than by your criteria, the 5 best defenceman this past season were:

1. Duncan Keith
2. Jay Bouwmeester
3. Shea Weber
4. Zdeno Chara
5. Joe Corvo

Is that correct?

this is classic kareem. taking my point out of context. which was that sekera is a #3 or #4 d man on most nhl teams.

[Nick]

Weber w/o a Norris is criminal.

[Robin Hood]

Weber w/o a Norris is criminal.

just like Trotz without an Adams is. Nashville gets no love.

[MSP4LYFE]

this is classic kareem. taking my point out of context. which was that sekera is a #3 or #4 d man on most nhl teams.

You're right, my mistake shiv, I apologize.

Oh and one more thing, can you remind me where I labeled Sekera a top pairing defenceman? Silly me, I must have forgotten.

[bills09]

Bazinga

[Robin Hood]

this is classic kareem. taking my point out of context. which was that sekera is a #3 or #4 d man on most nhl teams.

You're right, my mistake shiv, I apologize.

Oh and one more thing, can you remind me where I labeled Sekera a top pairing defenceman? Silly me, I must have forgotten.

You said I couldn't say for certain that Sekera was NOT a top 3 d-man on most NHL teams. Hence the list.

sekera is overrated.

Based on what, exactly?

FTR, I gave up Grabovski initially for Andrej Sekera, so all in all this deal worked out very well for Mike.

list teams in the nhl where Sekera would be a top 3 d-man.

Andrej Sekera was a top 3 defenceman on the Buffalo Sabres last season, I have no idea how he would figure on other NHL clubs, nor do you...

[bills09]

top 3 does not equal top pair

[MSP4LYFE]

You said I couldn't say for certain that Sekera was NOT a top 3 d-man on most NHL teams. Hence the list.

Boring...