Canucks vs Bruins

[Nick]

How do they make less then min wage? I don't follow?

It's unskilled, convenient, and fun labour - how well should the compensation be? And what's the logic behind why there should be a tip even if the service is just normal? Fun service, sure. Quick, accurate and on the ball, sure. But why is it a % based on the food bill?

[Lee]

There's nothing fun about having to bring a fat guy a 4th plate of burritos for a 2 $ tip.

[Shep]

How do they make less then min wage? I don't follow?

It's unskilled, convenient, and fun labour - how well should the compensation be? And what's the logic behind why there should be a tip even if the service is just normal? Fun service, sure. Quick, accurate and on the ball, sure. But why is it a % based on the food bill?

Before tips, they make under minimum wage. That's why tips are so important for them. Granted, they end up getting a shit load of money from tips, without them they'd be making under minimum wage. Most servers, not saying all make that little. But more often then not they make like $8.50 + tips, whereas minimum wage is like $10.25 or something (in Ontario)

[Scott]

How do they make less then min wage? I don't follow?

It's unskilled, convenient, and fun labour - how well should the compensation be? And what's the logic behind why there should be a tip even if the service is just normal? Fun service, sure. Quick, accurate and on the ball, sure. But why is it a % based on the food bill?

Before tips, they make under minimum wage. That's why tips are so important for them. Granted, they end up getting a shit load of money from tips, without them they'd be making under minimum wage. Most servers, not saying all make that little. But more often then not they make like $8.50 + tips, whereas minimum wage is like $10.25 or something (in Ontario)

Correct...

When I was younger I never tipped.. I'd write on the back of the bill "Tip: Don't eat yellow snow". Stupid shit. Now I tip because spit is no good...

[Nick]

Hmm, can honestly say I didn't know they made under min-wage in Ontario. That's illegal and an easy win if someone decided to make a law suit - class action possibilities. But does this not beg the question, why do it?

I'm not saying it's all fun. But people forget what the basis of pay is: time spent doing a task in exchange for money. It's compensation evaluated on the value o the work being done.

So who here couldn't be a waiter?

Or better yet, who here know someone who couldn't be a waiter?

I don't mean potentially down the road, I mean this afternoon.

The 25k tip the bruins gave is out of control. Now so is the entire bill, but a better example can be seen at my most recent let bill. $560 split 4 ways. $140 each, now add in tip, (it my was buddy as the waiter, and although slow on occasion he was a shit load of fun, and our actual bill was more like 750 so we tipped more then 15%)... we ended up giving him 120 in tips. This is a case where is made sense to tip, and a good amount. But on the opposite side - breakfast this morning, waitress wasn't very good looking, shitty convo, let the coffee hit the bottom and was slow on the bill. $29 bill, lucky for her my buddy and I only had 20's and didn't feel like waiting for change (he was going to shit himself). She gets 33% ($11) tip for nothing, and even if we had waited for change I'm sure we'd have asked for max of 5 back, an she gets the 15% as expected for being shitty-normal.

I don't know of many other professions that are as fun, unskilled and actually come with some perks and even when you're kinda poop at it you expect people to say thanks and show their gratitude with $.

Sure wish my students could tip.

[Scott]

Hmm, can honestly say I didn't know they made under min-wage in Ontario. That's illegal and an easy win if someone decided to make a law suit - class action possibilities. But does this not beg the question, why do it?

I'm not saying it's all fun. But people forget what the basis of pay is: time spent doing a task in exchange for money. It's compensation evaluated on the value o the work being done.

So who here couldn't be a waiter?

Or better yet, who here know someone who couldn't be a waiter?

I don't mean potentially down the road, I mean this afternoon.

The 25k tip the bruins gave is out of control. Now so is the entire bill, but a better example can be seen at my most recent let bill. $560 split 4 ways. $140 each, now add in tip, (it my was buddy as the waiter, and although slow on occasion he was a shit load of fun, and our actual bill was more like 750 so we tipped more then 15%)... we ended up giving him 120 in tips. This is a case where is made sense to tip, and a good amount. But on the opposite side - breakfast this morning, waitress wasn't very good looking, shitty convo, let the coffee hit the bottom and was slow on the bill. $29 bill, lucky for her my buddy and I only had 20's and didn't feel like waiting for change (he was going to shit himself). She gets 33% ($11) tip for nothing, and even if we had waited for change I'm sure we'd have asked for max of 5 back, an she gets the 15% as expected for being shitty-normal.

I don't know of many other professions that are as fun, unskilled and actually come with some perks and even when you're kinda poop at it you expect people to say thanks and show their gratitude with $.

Sure wish my students could tip.

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[Nick]

LOL. Great tip, i meant clip. That's what she said.


Anyways, despite not being entirely happy with the entire concept of tipping, I do partake in it. Who am I to judge that it's not right, I enjoy good service, and I love going out for drinks; but I don't feel like I should 'hold my tongue' or my opinion of the concept.


It's an easy job that gets compensated accordingly; if you're going to say it's not an easy job, show me some easier ones. And remember, servers get paid when they aren't super busy, when they are chatting or texting, flirting with the tables or just making conversation. No tips during slow time, no tips when they (or the kitchen) mess up a couple of times... I hear lots of complaints when they are slow, and also when they are busy, when they don't get time for a break (even a quick snack - although if a backbone was found they'd take 5minutes to bring/read part of Part III of the Canada Labour Code, despite cultural norms this act protects them 150%, either use your rights and take the break if you need it, quit, or quit the bitching.

Some people complain and make excuses, other people go to work (or make a change).

[Shep]

I tip 20% regardless.

Only way I tip less is if the service is awful, then they get 15%. But I never tip less because of my food, it's always based on what the waiter/waitress fucks up.

[Scott]

I tip 20% regardless.

Only way I tip less is if the service is awful, then they get 15%. But I never tip less because of my food, it's always based on what the waiter/waitress fucks up.

I tip whatever I have usually and it depends on how long I was there, whether the food & service was good, and how much the bill is. Saturday night, the wife and I(and 2 other couples) went for dinner and a couple drinks, we were there 45 minutes.. our bill was $91.. I gave $100 cash. I know our friends bills were around the same and they tipped around $10-$15 each. So the waitress made $30-$40 in tips in 45 minutes work from 1 table. Not too bad.

[Shep]

Now that thing with that is, lots of restaurants use a "tip pool". This gathers up all the tips made from everybody during the night, and they split it evenly. This also includes Cooks and Dishwashers (I think they get a lower percentage). So the tip can be very deceiving.

I've never worked in a restaurant but my mom worked as an accountant for East Side Marios and the Keg when she was younger, so that's how I know this stuff. Now, I don't know if every restaurant does tip pooling, but I believe a lot do.

[bma]

Most restaurants do indeed do a tip pool and have a % breakdown. Floor managers might get something like 10%, waiter/waitresses like 5%, and dishwashers/ misc people like 3%. Something like that.

[Monk]

Most restaurants do indeed do a tip pool and have a % breakdown. Floor managers might get something like 10%, waiter/waitresses like 5%, and dishwashers/ misc people like 3%. Something like that.

I worked dishwasher for a couple months when I was 20 and got about 30 bucks in tips from the tip pool. So the percentage might've been even lower than that

[armandtanzarian]

If there is one cardinal rule it is always be nice to your server until you get your food. I am never rude to people preparing or serving me food. I have a friend who worked in the service industry and i heard some horrible stories. I always tip but it will be bare minimum if the service is brutal or the server is ignorant.

[armandtanzarian]

Oh...and the Bruins celebration party was at FoxWoods Casino outside of Boston. That is why the 100,000 bottle of champagne was comped.

[armandtanzarian]

in addition:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370254