BBKL's Biggest "Low-Baller"?

[MSP4LYFE]

Forbort + Vey for Mueller is an absolute joke...Blum + Wilson for Kuznetsov + Mueller is not at all unreasonable, though admittedly I would not do that.

[anton]

i voted for mik but then saw frank on the list who, while not as consistent as mik, has offered me the single biggest low-ball ive had so far.

"mckeeg" for heatley

[Scott]

Forbort + Vey for Mueller is an absolute joke...Blum + Wilson for Kuznetsov + Mueller is not at all unreasonable, though admittedly I would not do that.

Thank you Kareem.. I knew/know this but for some reason, Mik doesn't get it.

This is why I started this poll.. Mik thinks BBKL's perception of player value is terrible and his is perfect. He told me that earlier (obviously not using the word perfect but close enough). I mean, I understand wanting to get as much value as you can and all that, but to offer something as terrible as that (and there are many other examples of this from Mik), and to honestly believe it's a great offer is just mind boggling. Mik, you're a great guy.. you're just BBKL's biggest low-baller. But like I said to you earlier.. at least you're good at something.

Oh and Anton.. I too had the biggest low ball from Frank. I remember it like it was yesterday. He wanted Keith Yandle, Jeff Carter & James Neal for PK Subban (before he even played a game) & Zach Hamill lol.. it was a serious offer too.

[Robin Hood]

Guys come on. Give me a break. I know I lowball sometimes, but look at my trade history. I give up ridiculous value a lot too. There is no way I should be leading this poll ahead of Mik lol.

[MSP4LYFE]

Guys come on. Give me a break. I know I lowball sometimes, but look at my trade history. I give up ridiculous value a lot too. There is no way I should be leading this poll ahead of Mik lol.

LOL, I didn't even realize you were leading.

[Shep]

I did not vote for you, nor do I think you're a big low-baller. I personally think there is a big difference between being a low-baller and giving up ridiculous value in trades. I also think you can be both (again, I don't think you're a low-baller really).

But I took low-balling as the initial offer in this case, that's why I voted for Media. Honestly, sometimes it's ridiculous the offers I get from this guy. I honestly wonder if he knows anything about hockey or if he just takes everything he reads on HFBoards as cold hard fact. I mean really, Berglund for a 3rd + 6th? LOL please. No, I do not want to trade Semin for a 3rd pairing defenceman to "clear some salary" .. Just some messaging me, because clearly you know nothing.

[shooker]

IMO Mik more over values his players than is a lowballer. It seems to me he doesn't get to watch enough NHL and in turn has very random values. Ive seen him want the world for scrubs and sell off great players for nothing. I am sorry to say it but I think shiv is the worst lowballer. weither it is tactic driven or not, I still get by far the worst offers from him. Then again I stopped trying to talk trade with Mik a long time ago because it wasn't worth my while lol.

note: I love when random arguements end up in poll form. This should happen more often.

[kyuss]

i don't think i asked for that one (i actually never asked for anything today, as you were the one asking), it was actually Forbort + Vey without the 2nd.
While going after M.Mueller for hours, you also rejected a late 1st 2012 straight up.

In the meantime, you kept repeating how your proposal of Blum + Garrett Wilson X Kuznetsov + M.Mueller was good. LOL.

You 100% asked for Vey, Forbort + for Mueller and then said "something like a 2nd" after I offered you Garrett Wilson for Mueller.

Again, Kuznetsov & Mueller for Blum & Wilson may or may not be a fantastic offer.. but it isn't as insulting as the above offer, that's for sure lol. But Kuznetsov is the next Gretzky only with a golden penis.. I forgot about that.

But according to Mik, BBKL's perception of player value is terrible and his is correct.. he repeated that to me a few times today hahaha

you really need to stop making things up and distort while reporting.

on this crappy pc i have not the chance to verify if with the "vey+forbot +" you're making things up (at the end of the day, it was straight up anyway), but you sure are doing it once again with the bolded part.

i've never said that, nor i think anything close to that. I said different perception.

Sorry to spoil your party, if i end up on top of this poll, it tells how i'm perceived in the league but wouldn't proof anything more (i.e. what is the truth).
The reason is, me and most of the rest of the league clearly value players differently.
Most of the complaints come from this.
I think much higher of some kind of players (euros more often than not) than the standard BBKL GM and conversely i'm not as high on some BBKL-beloved north americans. When players from those categories get involved in negotiations, things perceived as 'shocking' (both ways) can be thrown around. Me, unlike you, make no big deal of it.

A perfect example of this is my Ruutu-Kuznetsov deal. According to BBKL i got raped badly, whereas i was&am happy with the deal. A deal that happened out of my proposals.
The fact i draft much differently than most others is further indication.
I also like to build through my prospects, hence some of them might be more expensive to get than their real market value. So what..


Today you kept saying how crazy i am.
You, the one saying Blum >> Kuznetsov.
No need to argue that much over it, time will tell who was right.

[Scott]

I stunned Frank and myself don't even have a vote.

[kyuss]

Mik thinks BBKL's perception of player value is terrible and his is perfect.

again, this is just FALSE.

I mean, I understand wanting to get as much value as you can and all that, but to offer something as terrible as that (and there are many other examples of this from Mik), and to honestly believe it's a great offer is just mind boggling.

oh, and btw, i never said/thought it was a great offer for you.
It was what it took for you to land the player you wanted.
(nor that it was the only option.. lol)

[Shep]

note: I love when random arguements end up in poll form. This should happen more often.

Agreed. I love these things.

[Scott]

Mik.. sigh. Don't get all mad. Everything I've said so far is 100% true.

Scott says (3:27 PM):
I understand wanting a good deal and trying to better your team.. but the talks we've had in the past have 99% of the time been retarded. And I hear the exact same shit from almost everyone else. I don't know what else you need to use for further evidence.. you are low-ball king.
Mik - Nashville says (3:29 PM):
again, everyone is free to have his opinion. Several trades i made in the past show i'm not a lowballer per se
Scott says (3:30 PM):
hahahahahaha
Scott says (3:31 PM):
you weren't for those 4 minutes
20+ GMs have the same opinion.. must be a conspiracy
Mik - Nashville says (3:33 PM):
part of it is me making some low ballers, a huge part of it is flawed perception
Scott says (3:34 PM):
ya, your flawed perception
now you're getting it
Mik - Nashville says (3:35 PM):
BBKL flawed perception, to be clear, lol
Mik - Nashville says (3:36 PM):
cheers dude

[kyuss]

Honestly, sometimes it's ridiculous the offers I get from this guy. I honestly wonder if he knows anything about hockey or if he just takes everything he reads on HFBoards as cold hard fact. I mean really, Berglund for a 3rd + 6th? LOL please. No, I do not want to trade Semin for a 3rd pairing defenceman to "clear some salary" .. Just some messaging me, because clearly you know nothing.

which guy?

[Scott]

Honestly, sometimes it's ridiculous the offers I get from this guy. I honestly wonder if he knows anything about hockey or if he just takes everything he reads on HFBoards as cold hard fact. I mean really, Berglund for a 3rd + 6th? LOL please. No, I do not want to trade Semin for a 3rd pairing defenceman to "clear some salary" .. Just some messaging me, because clearly you know nothing.

which guy?

LOL.. he's talking about Media

[kyuss]

Mik..
....

flawed perception, cause BBKL GMs judge offers accordingly with their evaluation of players, whereas i do accordingly with mine, which clearly is odd in this league.

hence the perception of me being a low baller is flawed, making me a worse low baller than i really am (not saying i never low ball, of course, i often do.. albeit judging by many of your old trades i am not as good as you at that, lol).

so, flawed perception out of a often very different evaluation, no matter which evaluation is right (one would guess something in the middle).

sigh. Don't get all mad. Everything I've said so far is 100% true.

false again. how long gonna keep going?

[kyuss]

IMO Mik more over values his players than is a lowballer. It seems to me he doesn't get to watch enough NHL and in turn has very random values.

i actually watched way too much NHL hockey the past 2 yrs.. so no, my 'random values' must have a different explanation lol

Then again I stopped trying to talk trade with Mik a long time ago because it wasn't worth my while lol.

you didn't seem to think like that when you got Colby Armstrong for the 3rd Waiver pick.

[kyuss]

LOL.. he's talking about Media

someone uses media to PM? or was he just joking

[MSP4LYFE]

I think the confusion is born out of the word "flawed", if I understand Mik correctly, the word he is searching for is "subjective."

Each managers evaluation of a player is subjective to their own values and beliefs, and it is therefore a flawed exercise to gauge who is the biggest lowballer, since it is all subjective opinion, not fact. Correct me if I'm wrong Mik.

[MSP4LYFE]

i actually watched way too much NHL hockey the past 2 yrs.. so no, my 'random values' must have a different explanation lol

I admit to having accused you of not watching much NHL hockey, but after reading your posts regarding these past NHL playoffs it is clear that I was wrong.

[kyuss]

I think the confusion is born out of the word "flawed", if I understand Mik correctly, the word he is searching for is "subjective."

Each managers evaluation of a player is subjective to their own values and beliefs, and it is therefore a flawed exercise to gauge who is the biggest lowballer, since it is all subjective opinion, not fact. Correct me if I'm wrong Mik.

this is true in general.

perception of how much of a low baller i am is particularly affected by subjectivity because of my odd (bbkl wise at least) evaluations, hence my use of the word flawed.

perception versus most other GMs is probably more accurate cause they have more standard tastes.