A positional proposition to the CC to please consider.

[shooker]

I think its time to take one for the team bud. Every contending team has multiple guys they now have to move but we are rolling with it as this is for the good of the league overall. It was a joke last year, IE Atlanta w/ 941 FOW & Boston w/ 4026 FOW. There is no way in hell that teams would have that big of a gap in RL and the reason for that is contending teams had too many guys listed as wingers when they were actual centers. The list isn't perfect but this is definately the lesser of two evils.

[kyuss]

i counted about 140 centers among the regulars for next season.
That would mean 4.66 per team.

Of course you have to add some rookies that will play a relevant role, but i don't think it would be enough to bring the number to excessive highs (anyway, once we change positions on CBS it will be easier to see if there are too many).
Besides, remember rookies would be waiver exempt.

[Shep]

Who has the first overall pick in the Waiver draft?

[Shep]

I think its time to take one for the team bud. Every contending team has multiple guys they now have to move but we are rolling with it as this is for the good of the league overall. It was a joke last year, IE Atlanta w/ 941 FOW & Boston w/ 4026 FOW. There is no way in hell that teams would have that big of a gap in RL and the reason for that is contending teams had too many guys listed as wingers when they were actual centers. The list isn't perfect but this is definately the lesser of two evils.

Again, the trades aren't an issue with me. It's frustrating, yeah, but that isn't my problem. I've had inquiries about 5 of my 11 centres, or whatever my total number is.

The problem is balance. I feel this change is giong to be the opposite of last year. Last year there were too many wingers, not enough centres, I think the opposite is going to happen this year. Maybe not as extreme, but it'll be there.

[kyuss]

How fucking hard is it to start a topic and discuss it with the other CC members? I don't care if you don't change your stance.

aren't we discussing it here altogher already?

[kyuss]

The problem is balance. I feel this change is giong to be the opposite of last year. Last year there were too many wingers, not enough centres, I think the opposite is going to happen this year. Maybe not as extreme, but it'll be there.

dude, we are here to not let that happen.
That's why we are discussing about it..

[Shep]

How fucking hard is it to start a topic and discuss it with the other CC members? I don't care if you don't change your stance.

aren't we discussing it here altogher already?

Yeah but we have no say in this league.

[kyuss]

How fucking hard is it to start a topic and discuss it with the other CC members? I don't care if you don't change your stance.

aren't we discussing it here altogher already?

Yeah but we have no say in this league.

dude, if you and Shiv (or whoever else not in the CC) will show there will be INDEED too many centers, i'll be in favour of adjusting the criteria to make it more balanced. What else do you want me to say?

[Robin Hood]

Yeah this isnt a discussion to be honest. Somehow Jussi Jokinen is listed as a winger and instead of saying yes that can be reevaluated, you have just said tough luck. I bet if Kyle's Bruins had to list Iginla as a winger this would still be in CC...oh wait you made the rule so that Iggy would be surely a W. But with the exact same stats on fow, jussi is a W. this isn't a discussion. I was trying to get Marleau from shep yesterday knowing that he would be a C. we have accepted a large part of this process. But it has flaws and you guys continue to argue instead of finding a way to fix the flaws. there is still time. make it happen. don't use a flawed system.

[Shep]

What else do you want me to say?

Nothing, game over. I give up.

Good luck.

[shooker]

How fucking hard is it to start a topic and discuss it with the other CC members? I don't care if you don't change your stance.

aren't we discussing it here altogher already?

Yeah but we have no say in this league.

dude, if you and Shiv (or whoever else not in the CC) will show there will be INDEED too many centers, i'll be in favour of adjusting the criteria to make it more balanced. What else do you want me to say?

LOL this comment. You clearly just said if you can show its flawed we will change it yet you still get shit on. You are the clear head in this conversation and making valid points and allowing discussion to follow with only "how the fuck", "why the fuck" and "this is a fucking joke" as the counters. It's times like these are when I really feel my time in the bbkl is nearing its end. Im soo sick of all this crap.

[kyuss]

Yeah this isnt a discussion to be honest. Somehow Jussi Jokinen is listed as a winger and instead of saying yes that can be reevaluated, you have just said tough luck.

not true.. and a disappointing post overall. Looks like i have waisted all day.

Things will be revaluated if it will be considered a worth improvement overall.

The case of Iginla is more convincing than Jokinen's one, because he has a lower FOR and he clearly won't be over .3 next season, whereas for Jussi, by the likes of Canes lineup, it's anyone's guess.
Another convincing argument would be if these criteria would indeed bring too many centers.

still waiting for your population btw.

[Robin Hood]

It's times like these are when I really feel my time in the bbkl is nearing its end. Im soo sick of all this crap.

I've seen you make multiple posts like this on the forum. If you want to leave, you are free to. It'd be a shame and I'm sure I can speak for everyone when I say that we would all want you to stay. Stop bitching about it though. It's almost Scott-like lol.

[Robin Hood]

Yeah this isnt a discussion to be honest. Somehow Jussi Jokinen is listed as a winger and instead of saying yes that can be reevaluated, you have just said tough luck.

not true.. and a disappointing post overall. Looks like i have waisted all day.

Things will be revaluated if it will be considered a worth improvement overall.

The case of Iginla is more convincing than Jokinen's one, because he has a lower FOR and he clearly won't be over .3 next season, whereas for Jussi, by the likes of Canes lineup, it's anyone's guess.
Another convincing argument would be if these criteria would indeed bring too many centers.

still waiting for your population btw.

Mik I will later tonight. Doing some work for uni.

[MSP4LYFE]

Yeah, no offense Shiv and Shep, but you two are being irrational...Shep you even went so far as to admit that the current system is less extreme than before, that alone makes it worth implementing, as it is a better system. In regards to Shiv, this does not in any way lower the value of centers, every team is allowed to carry up to 5 centers, and if they hope to maintain a competitive advantage they will, as in the past carry the max amount of centers. The value is the same, heck I am in the market for a centerman, the only difference is that teams can't hoard FOW players like they could in the past.

[MSP4LYFE]

LOL this comment. You clearly just said if you can show its flawed we will change it yet you still get shit on. You are the clear head in this conversation and making valid points and allowing discussion to follow with only "how the fuck", "why the fuck" and "this is a fucking joke" as the counters. It's times like these are when I really feel my time in the bbkl is nearing its end. Im soo sick of all this crap.

This comment is equally nonconstructive, profanity is a part of our vernacular, it's not really a big issue in my mind.

[Shep]

Shep you even went so far as to admit that the current system is less extreme than before, that alone makes it worth implementing, as it is a better system.

I'm done with the argument for obvious reasons. But yes, I did say that.

[tyler]

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[Nick]

Trying to weed out the issues is exactly what we are doing here...

However when guys bring up arguments we've already talked through and were conscious of, we say as much (or a little blunter perhaps).


a set of guidelines to determine centre listings moving forward is what we worked on.

Originally 500FOT was the bar, Billy liked 450 and the # made more sense given 119 players broke that mark (4 centres, 30 teams... but we know there's actually more then 120 centres in the NHL, something like 150 is more realistic) - now we're just clarifying how to get to that mark - and not just with one measure, the logic flows something like:

a) Top 4 for FOT on their NHL team over a season is a nice stable indicator of a player with dot-duties
b) the first check: Over 450FOT = C, a little less then 6 a game - a logical amount in that the player is not just getting to move in when a centre is tossed, and interesting in that in produces roughly the same # as a) and only small number of different players on the a/b lists (catching discrepancies left by a)
c) detailed check FOR >.3 this is very good for rookies, 4th liners, injured or traded players... where totals are harder to interpret -> It's when you played, how often were you taking draws


Pretty concise, detailed and most important a method that we continue to use free of subjective biases.
However if it results on 5.3 centres per team, I'd have too agree that's too much and some of the criteria needs to be shuffled to get it closer to 5C per team (150 net) ,and remember some guys will be bench players, rookies, + injuries throughout the season. And will be re-aligned during the ASB.

[tyler]

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