Rangers/Kings

[KapG]

To New York rangers:

Seth Jones

To Los Angeles Kings:

2022 1st rounder (NYR)

[The BBKL Insider]

Confirmed

[Matthew]

Big contract (9.5m) to take on but if kap has the space why not. Probably not gonna get a better dman at 5th or whatever kap is choosing than Jones. If kap can fill in a couple of the holes in his line-up and a few of his young guys/prospects make strides he can definitely be one of the dangerous teams in the east.

[KapG]

Contract should be ok. Stralman was making 5.5 this year and should make way less if he comes back. I can dump seabrooks 7 million also.

Idk about being a dangerous team but I might not draft top 10 again next season if some of the young guys take some strides forward.

Fwiw I was going to take nemec or jiricek if they were there. Figure jones instead is not an awful decision.

[Da_Hawks]

Hawks will take Seabrook!

[kyuss]

Funny when you think people have been offering close to nothing for Josi who is better and makes less money. He wasn't even picked up at the expansion draft

[Matthew]

1st for grampa josi

[KapG]

Funny when you think people have been offering close to nothing for Josi who is better and makes less money. He wasn't even picked up at the expansion draft

Josi is incredible and people are obviously lowballing you lol. With that said, Josi is going to be 32 for the start of next season

Edit: the expansion part surprised me for sure

[CasperX22]

Mehhhhhhh.

[DApolloS]

Funny when you think people have been offering close to nothing for Josi who is better and makes less money. He wasn't even picked up at the expansion draft

Josi is incredible and people are obviously lowballing you lol. With that said, Josi is going to be 32 for the start of next season

Edit: the expansion part surprised me for sure

Josi's season could not have been predicted by anyone. Had I selected him, it would be to move him, but as you said, nobody has given you a fair offer on him (due to his age). Gavrikov is younger, cheaper and provides some extremely good peripheral numbers.

Now that the season is over, should Josi have been taken? Yes. But at the time of the draft, with his large cap hit, it would have benefitted Nashville more for me to take him than it would have benefitted me.

[KapG]

Funny when you think people have been offering close to nothing for Josi who is better and makes less money. He wasn't even picked up at the expansion draft

Josi is incredible and people are obviously lowballing you lol. With that said, Josi is going to be 32 for the start of next season

Edit: the expansion part surprised me for sure

Josi's season could not have been predicted by anyone. Had I selected him, it would be to move him, but as you said, nobody has given you a fair offer on him (due to his age). Gavrikov is younger, cheaper and provides some extremely good peripheral numbers.

Now that the season is over, should Josi have been taken? Yes. But at the time of the draft, with his large cap hit, it would have benefitted Nashville more for me to take him than it would have benefitted me.

This is also a fair rebuttal. As Mik is experiencing right now, moving a 31/32 year old defenceman in this league can be a little difficult even when they are having a truly phenomenal year.

[Shoalzie]

This move makes more sense for a team like the Rangers with more a better prospect pool built up and is much further along in the building process.

As opposed to other teams picking in this pick range... (points at self)

[Bruyns]

This move makes more sense for a team like the Rangers with more a better prospect pool built up and is much further along in the building process.

As opposed to other teams picking in this pick range... (points at self)

Agreed, I can see the appeal for Kyle and he has the cap space. With Jones' new contract he might not be worth this much, but a team with a lot of players on ELCs can fit him in and eventually rebuilders need to start adding valuable players if they want to take the next step.

[KapG]

This move makes more sense for a team like the Rangers with more a better prospect pool built up and is much further along in the building process.

As opposed to other teams picking in this pick range... (points at self)

Agreed, I can see the appeal for Kyle and he has the cap space. With Jones' new contract he might not be worth this much, but a team with a lot of players on ELCs can fit him in and eventually rebuilders need to start adding valuable players if they want to take the next step.

Everyone been harping about that a week draft this is. Idk how an argument could even be made that this could be viewed as too much to give up. What are the odds of getting a jones caliber player at 4/5/6? Probably not that good. Feel my team is at a point in its rebuild where adding a guy of this caliber is probably a good move. If it was a team who was way further behind in their rebuild I could see it being viewed as a poor trade to execute but I think the value, for this specific draft at least, is quite good.

[Bruyns]

I think it is a good trade for you.

When talking about value, I mean based on contract. Jones is better than whatever prospect Steve drafts 5th overall for at least the next three years I would say and maybe for their whole careers. I just feel a 9.5M cap hit hurts his value a little and feel Steve did very well to get a pick that high when the amount of teams that would be interested in Jones for a high 1st might not be many. I'd take a slightly less productive 5M Dman and the cap space to spend on other players personally, but like I said you don't have cap problems so it makes sense.

If Steve offered me Jones for the 15th I would say no and I don't think I'm the only one as other GMs would have a hard time fitting in Jones without moving other good players out. Having cap space is an asset and when you are tight to the cap it makes you view player value differently.

[Bruyns]

The three other conference finalists also had

Kucherov - 9.5M
Josi 9M
Crosby 8.7
Heiskanen 8.5
Makar 9M
Aho 8.5M

Cap will hopefully continue increasing and it's not like 9.5M is a boat anchor and will keep you from winning, you need cheap contributing players and my team only has a few so I have to be really efficient with my cap hits.

[Shoalzie]

The biggest x-factor when trading a player for a draft pick...is the player that could be picked at the spot you're trading potentially more valuable than the player you're acquiring from now into the future?
You're not acquiring their past success...you're acquiring the player from this point on.

Seth Jones at 27 is still productive and can still very useful to a team trying to compete. Would you rather have a proven commodity like him or would rather keep the pick and draft a player that may or may not help you right away?

If you want to compete in the league...you need to hit that sweet spot with your roster where your young players are productive and you have productive established players as well. If your young players aren't productive right now and can't help you win...you're probably better off to not push the panic button and go acquire a veteran at the expense of drafting another player to add to your young core.

You see Matthew having a contending team while he has a mix of veterans as well as young productive players like Seider and Makar. Matt is obviously our reigning champ with mostly established players but he gets a lot of production out a young player like Svechnikov.

My concern with adding a veteran/established player...you don't want to acquire a player that will be most productive when your team is mostly not at their best. As I put it...you're wasting that player's production while being on uncompetitive team. If you're becoming a competitive team, then you should lean into that and add players that are going to help you.

[KapG]

I think it is a good trade for you.

When talking about value, I mean based on contract. Jones is better than whatever prospect Steve drafts 5th overall for at least the next three years I would say and maybe for their whole careers. I just feel a 9.5M cap hit hurts his value a little and feel Steve did very well to get a pick that high when the amount of teams that would be interested in Jones for a high 1st might not be many. I'd take a slightly less productive 5M Dman and the cap space to spend on other players personally, but like I said you don't have cap problems so it makes sense.

If Steve offered me Jones for the 15th I would say no and I don't think I'm the only one as other GMs would have a hard time fitting in Jones without moving other good players out. Having cap space is an asset and when you are tight to the cap it makes you view player value differently.

I get what you’re saying when you are taking each teams cap into consideration but I’m just talking about the value of this pick and jones in a vacuum.

[Bruyns]

Lets make KapG more dangerous.

MacKinnon
for
Bolduc
Pelletier
Dean
McLeod
2023 1st

[KapG]

The three other conference finalists also had

Kucherov - 9.5M
Josi 9M
Crosby 8.7
Heiskanen 8.5
Makar 9M
Aho 8.5M

Cap will hopefully continue increasing and it's not like 9.5M is a boat anchor and will keep you from winning, you need cheap contributing players and my team only has a few so I have to be really efficient with my cap hits.

Totally. In a few years though I’ll also have skinner off his 9-9.5 million cap hit or whatever it is. Idk if duchene gets another 8 million dollar deal either. Just felt my team was in a position where I could take advantage of getting a player of his caliber for a sole pick in what is being classified as a weak draft. It could totally back fire on me so we will see!