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[Robin Hood]

Kareem you need to read Bryan's post again...

lol yeah bryans post was against what i said and pretty damn funny i might add lol.

[Nick]

i knew matt was taking me to the bank, but up until this week i had the fullest system in the BBKL...


All removed:
Casey Wellman
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
John McFarland
Alex Chiasson
Philip Lane

And I still love my prospect depth (notably):
Taylor Hall
Nino Niederreiter
Nazem Kadri
Chris Kreider>>> I'm aware that I'm basically alone on this call
------------------ This is where I'd put MSP
Nick Bjugstad
Colby Cohen
------------------ McFarland & Wellman
Teemu Laakso
Sondre Olden
----------------- Chiasson & Lane (both look like obvious NHLers)
Igor Bobkov

Plus an NHL Average Age 23.90909091 ... Up from 21.7 of a few weeks ago... but

[MSP4LYFE]

Kareem you need to read Bryan's post again...

I'm not sure what he's arguing the second time through...I think he meant to say "can't", but then he remarks "I agree with shiv" which would contradict the former stance.

[Nick]

sarcasm meter @ 10.

[Robin Hood]

i knew matt was taking me to the bank, but up until this week i had the fullest system in the BBKL...


All removed:
Casey Wellman
Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
John McFarland
Alex Chiasson
Philip Lane

And I still love my prospect depth (notably):
Taylor Hall
Nino Niederreiter
Nazem Kadri
Chris Kreider>>> I'm aware that I'm basically alone on this call
------------------ This is where I'd put MSP
Nick Bjugstad
Colby Cohen
------------------ McFarland & Wellman
Teemu Laakso
Sondre Olden
----------------- Chiasson & Lane (both look like obvious NHLers)
Igor Bobkov

Plus an NHL Average Age 23.90909091 ... Up from 21.7 of a few weeks ago... but

not gonna lie nick. in 2-3 years your team is going to be unbeatable:

kadri, kane, niedereitter, fowler, hall, msp. this on top of richards, staal, horton, weber, bergeron, johnson.

[Robin Hood]

Kareem you need to read Bryan's post again...

I'm not sure what he's arguing the second time through...I think he meant to say "can't", but then he remarks "I agree with shiv" which would contradict the former stance.

LOL he was being sarcastic kareem.

[Nick]

more like in 2-3 years my team is in cap hell... Wait... that's next year.

Weber = FUCK
JJ = DOUBLE FUCK

[MSP4LYFE]

this is exactly what I meant when I said ribeiro is overrated in this league. i never said ribeiro is a bad player.

even if ribeiro gets over 70 points about 55 points will be assists. he'll get fow and some shtoi but those are things a lot of centers bring. so ribeiros only "edge" is the points category which really only amounts to A and PTS. because G, SOG, GWG will be worse than a lot of players. oh and ribeiro is also 5m in cap.

i guarantee ribeiro will not be on nicks team when the playoffs roll around. anyone who goes out and gets ribeiro is almost undeniably going to trade them in the future because his stats do not warrant his cap.

For Ribiero to be overrated, one would have to suggest that he produces in categories that he does not, or to a greater extent than he does in reality, which has not once been stated. On the contrary, what has been stated is that Ribeiro is a 75+ player who takes alot of draws, those aren't opinons, it is fact. Ribiero is on pace for over 75 points, and leads Dallas in FOT. Further to that he provides some SHTOI (7th on the team for forwards), and a ton of STPTS. He is what he is, and nothing more. So your percieved argument that Ribiero is "overrated" is false and without any basis.

[Robin Hood]

more like in 2-3 years my team is in cap hell... Wait... that's next year.

Weber = FUCK
JJ = DOUBLE FUCK

i wonder how much weber will get. i see him getting more than 6.5

[MSP4LYFE]

sarcasm meter @ 10.

I sensed the sarcasm towards the end, but I think he meant to write "agree with Kareem" at the beginning rather than "agree with Shiv", in this context the former makes sense, the latter doesn't, even in a sarcastic tone.

[Nick]

I'm hoping he goes 6.3M & JJ goes 5M


dreaming... but they are manageable @ those #.

[Robin Hood]

this is exactly what I meant when I said ribeiro is overrated in this league. i never said ribeiro is a bad player.

even if ribeiro gets over 70 points about 55 points will be assists. he'll get fow and some shtoi but those are things a lot of centers bring. so ribeiros only "edge" is the points category which really only amounts to A and PTS. because G, SOG, GWG will be worse than a lot of players. oh and ribeiro is also 5m in cap.

i guarantee ribeiro will not be on nicks team when the playoffs roll around. anyone who goes out and gets ribeiro is almost undeniably going to trade them in the future because his stats do not warrant his cap.

For Ribiero to be overrated, one would have to suggest that he produces in categories that he does not, or to a greater extent than he does in reality, which has not once been stated. On the contrary, what has been stated is that Ribeiro is a 75+ player who takes alot of draws, those aren't opinons, it is fact. Ribiero is on pace for over 75 points, and leads Dallas in FOT. Further to that he provides some SHTOI (7th on the team for forwards), and a ton of STPTS. He is what he is, and nothing more. So your percieved argument that Ribiero is "overrated" is false and without any basis.

ribeiro is on pace for 70+ points yes. but he is over 30, most of his points are assists and he does not even help all offensive categories. if he was paid 3.5m, I would agree with you. but at 5m he is overrated. ill say it again, no contender can afford to keep ribeiro. he is only valuable on the roster of middle tier playoff teams. contenders like nick will end up trading ribeiro before the playoffs. that to me is an overrated player. and mashley got some nice pieces back for him.

[shooker]

sarcasm meter @ 10.

I sensed the sarcasm towards the end, but I think he meant to write "agree with Kareem" at the beginning rather than "agree with Shiv", in this context the former makes sense, the latter doesn't, even in a sarcastic tone.

yupp fully sarcastic and I think what I said works quite well lol.

[MSP4LYFE]

ribeiro is on pace for 70+ points yes. but he is over 30, most of his points are assists and he does not even help all offensive categories. if he was paid 3.5m, I would agree with you. but at 5m he is overrated. ill say it again, no contender can afford to keep ribeiro. he is only valuable on the roster of middle tier playoff teams. contenders like nick will end up trading ribeiro before the playoffs. that to me is an overrated player. and mashley got some nice pieces back for him.

You can maintain your stance all you like, it doesn't make it true. For a player, any player, to be overrated there must be a large group of individuals who believe said player is greater than he is in reality, that is not the case here, ergo Mike Ribiero is not overrated, in this league, anyways. Outside of it? Who knows...

In regards to your second point, I disagree. There are tons of players who predominantly hit one offensive category, and make similar money, and are iced by contenders. Kessel being an obvious example, with an even higher cap hit, and less total points, and I roster him, as would many other contenders. So it is clear that contenders do in fact ice such players. Your counter argument will almost certainly be that goal scorers also hit GWG, which is true, but so to do playmakers, and being a random stat by nature (GWG) it is hardly meaningful whether you are a sniper or playmaker, the rate at which a player achieves this stat is random, and varies year to year, and from team to team.

[Nick]

Meh, I compared him with some other 3-5.5M centres and he does fine... GWG he's very typical of a centre 2-4 a year... He does ~20goals and lots of assist, good short-handed and power-play...tons of face-offs (thanks to playing in all situations)... actually blocks a few shots and throws some hits... PIMS & SOG are where he is low.


ps-> you have a sedin... g/a/pts/stpts & nothing... for 6+M... are we to take this to mean that you'll be moving him before the playoffs?

[MSP4LYFE]

sarcasm meter @ 10.

I sensed the sarcasm towards the end, but I think he meant to write "agree with Kareem" at the beginning rather than "agree with Shiv", in this context the former makes sense, the latter doesn't, even in a sarcastic tone.

yupp fully sarcastic and I think what I said works quite well lol.

Fair enough, I suppose I just missed it.

[shooker]

Meh, I compared him with some other 4-5M centres and he does fine... GWG he's very typical of a centre 2-4 a year... He does ~20goals and lots of assist, good short-handed and power-play...tons of face-offs (thanks to playing in all situations)... actually blocks a few shots and throws some hits... PIMS & SOG are where he is low.


ps-> you have a sedin... g/a/pts/stpts & nothing... for 6+M... are we to take this to mean that you'll be moving him before the playoffs?

the answer is yes but it has nothing to do with the reasoning behind this arguement.

[Robin Hood]

You can maintain your stance all you like, it doesn't make it true. For a player, any player, to be overrated there must be a large group of individuals who believe said player is greater than he is in reality.

correct me if im wrong but majority of people here seem to think Ribeiro at 5m is worth it LOL.

In regards to your second point, I disagree. There are tons of players who predominantly hit one offensive category, and make similar money, and are iced by contenders. Kessel being an obvious example, with an even higher cap hit, and less total points, and I roster him, as would many other contenders. So it is clear that contenders do in fact ice such players. Your counter argument will almost certainly be that goal scorers also hit GWG, which is true, but so to do playmakers, and being a random stat by nature (GWG) it is hardly meaningful whether you are a sniper or playmaker, the rate at which a player achieves this stat is random, and varies year to year, and from team to team.

i cant believe you just compared ribeiro to kessel. nor can i believe you just stated that because GWG is a random stat, goal scorers and playmakers will have a similar opportunity to hit similar numbers. more goals = more opportunities to get more gwg. goal scorers are also FAR more rare than playmakers. but i thought all these things were common knowledge.

you need to take an argumentation course or something kareem. your arguments constantly miss the point yet you are always convinced that youre making a sound argument lol.

[MSP4LYFE]

correct me if im wrong but majority of people here seem to think Ribeiro at 5m is worth it LOL.

Centerman who can hit ppg numbers make upwards of 5 million dollars, you think he should be making 3.5...I rest my case.

i cant believe you just compared ribeiro to kessel. nor can i believe you just stated that because GWG is a random stat, goal scorers and playmakers will have a similar opportunity to hit similar numbers. more goals = more opportunities to get more gwg. goal scorers are also FAR more rare than playmakers. but i thought all these things were common knowledge.

you need to take an argumentation course or something kareem. your arguments constantly miss the point yet you are always convinced that youre making a sound argument lol.

For someone who critques my ability to make a sound argument, and identify the main point of argument, you seem to be making your own fair share of mistakes.

The comparison to Kessel was strictly on the basis of production, specifically in one offensive category over another, their difference in style was presumed to be a given, but evidently I need to be more clear when debating with you. As for GWG, I did not claim that goal scorers are at a disadvantage at producing GWG, when compared to playmakers, statistically speaking that cannot be true, however it is true that playmakers can score more GWG than a sniper, and that the total varies year by year, and thus it is not a given that a sniper is more valuable than a playmaker, even in regards to GWG. More likely? Yes. A given? No. Furthermore, your analysis fails to draw on one very important point, quality of team. A GWG is dependant on wins, so while it is true that more goals lead to more opportunities to score GWG, it is also true that more wins provide greater opportunity to score GWG, so the argument then expands to style + quality of team. Which itself strengthens the argument for icing Mike Ribiero.

In any case, the difference is minimal at best, and by no means the difference between icing one player over another. To argue otherwise would by silly?

P.S. I don't need to take an argumentative course to prove you wrong, but I understand if you require the same assistance.

[Robin Hood]

correct me if im wrong but majority of people here seem to think Ribeiro at 5m is worth it LOL.

Centerman who can hit ppg numbers make upwards of 5 million dollars, you think he should be making 3.5...I rest my case.

i cant believe you just compared ribeiro to kessel. nor can i believe you just stated that because GWG is a random stat, goal scorers and playmakers will have a similar opportunity to hit similar numbers. more goals = more opportunities to get more gwg. goal scorers are also FAR more rare than playmakers. but i thought all these things were common knowledge.

you need to take an argumentation course or something kareem. your arguments constantly miss the point yet you are always convinced that youre making a sound argument lol.

For someone who critques my ability to make a sound argument, and identify the main point of argument, you seem to be making your own fair share of mistakes.

The comparison to Kessel was strictly on the basis of production, specifically in one offensive category over another, their difference in style was presumed to be a given, but evidently I need to be more clear when debating with you. As for GWG, I did not claim that goal scorers are at a disadvantage at producing GWG, when compared to playmakers, statistically speaking that cannot be true, however it is true that playmakers can score more GWG than a sniper, and that the total varies year by year, and thus it is not a given that a sniper is more valuable than a playmaker, even in regards to GWG. More likely? Yes. A given? No. Furthermore, your analysis fails to draw on one very important point, quality of team. A GWG is dependant on wins, so while it is true that more goals lead to more opportunities to score GWG, it is also true that more wins provide greater opportunity to score GWG, so the argument then expands to style + quality of team. Which itself strengthens the argument for icing Mike Ribiero.

In any case, the difference is minimal at best, and by no means the difference between icing one player over another. To argue otherwise would by silly?

P.S. I don't need to take an argumentative course to prove you wrong, but I understand if you require the same assistance.

of course gwg has a correlation to the team. BUT:

your argument has far less value than the fact than the fact that players who score more goals put up more GWG. want another reason? every time kessel scores a goal, the odds of the Leafs winning the game go up. Why? There is a direct correlation between Kessel scoring and the Leafs winning. We can easily pull out stats that confirm that teams win most of their games when their best players score. and im sure majority of kessel's goals come in wins not losses.

back to the issue with ribeiro: As far as categories like FOW, SHTOI, SOG, STPTS, GWG, Goals, BS, Hits, PIMs are concerned, YOu can probably find a lot of forwards who either put up stats very similar to ribeiro or come extremely close to or even better than what he does. the ONLY categories ribeiro brings a surplus in is Assists and Points compared to those players. that is not worth 5m in salary. the proof? Ribeiro will NEVER be on a contender in this league. that is fact. he will always be on mid-tier playoff teams at best. that is why he is overrated. this is a fact you have yet to disagree with.