Issues With TSN.CA

[MSP4LYFE]

I was looking over TSN.CA, and comparing it to the FOW stat, as well as draws taken stat, and it became immediately evident that TSN is the worst of all options available. Whenever there is a position in question TSN almost always gives X player dual eligibility (zetterberg, backes. oshie, park, ott, flash, laich etc), and in certain cases it is just absurd (I.E. Brandon Dubinsky and Chris Drury being listed as C/LW)...

I completed this comparative analysis on multiple sites (ESPN, SPNET, TSN, NHL, YAHOO etc.) and BY FAR the most consistent site (scary consistent really) was sportsnet.ca, they appear to be on the ball with regards to position eligibility. Most of the top faceoff specialists on the wing were listed in their correct positions...Center, and vice versa with legit wingers.

A few examples are listed below:

Henrik Zetterberg, C
Dave Steckel, C
Richard Park, C
Steve Ott, C
TJ Oshie, C
David Backes, C/W
Tomas Fleischmann, W
Brooks Laich, W
Craig Adams, W
Brandon Dubinsky, C
Chris Drury, C
Patrick Marleau, W
Claude Giroux, W

Keep in mind that these were based on last season, and Sportsnet routinely updates them to reflect actual posistions, hence a guy like Zetterberg who played center last season due to injuries and unbalanced scoring will more than likely be changed to wing or given dual eligibility this season.

With that in mind, I propose we reconsider the primary site of reference for this upcoming season from tsn.ca to sportsnet.ca

[Shep]

Thanks.

[Nick]

Ye, the # of dual eligible on TSN is silly, Chris Drury highlights that clearly... obviously I did not do my homework when supporting it, in my defense it was in an attempt to be un-biased and go with a reliable source, w/o focusing on my own roster or anything like that... but some of the listings are just silly... Sportsnet appears to be a much more intelligent selection, its looks that they consider the most relevant & recent information.

[cliff11]

i like sprotsnet

[shooker]

I did some research as well after I learned about this situation, sportsnet is definatly better it really isnt close.

[tyler]

well done kareem. better get these lumps outta the way now, sportsnet vote from me.

[MSP4LYFE]

I did some research as well after I learned about this situation, sportsnet is definatly better it really isnt close.

The issue with TSN.ca is that anyone who has played multiple positions (even sparingly) appear to be awarded dual eligibility automatically, and as I documented above there are a few horrific miscalculations (Drury and Dubinsky). If the objective was to clear the loopholes under the previous system we failed, because tsn clearly makes those holes bigger.

[Monk]

well done kareem, thx for posting, im on board for using sportsnet over tsn

[armandtanzarian]

Well I fucking hope Zetterberg gets LW because i wouldn't have traded Marleau for him especially knowing he was RW with Thornton. This roster limitation stuff this close to season start is ridiculous. TSN was basically chosen because it was liberal and was as close to leaving things alone as we could get. If things are changing people will need extra time to become compliant with there rosters because something like this would basically drop players values when you know you are dealing with a team with an illegal roster. Too damn close to season start imo. Why wasn't this issue brought up in JUNE? Imposing changes that will directly effect a teams players or players they have specifically traded for this late in the year is not good at all.

[armandtanzarian]

Also if Sportsnet is so up to date then we also have to enforce the removal of positions. So if one player changes mid season multiple times, are we going to be removing positions ad forcing teams to adjust?

PS let me just say though that i do not disagree with Sportsnet. But we have to consider everything and how it applies to all gm's, the update frequency and whether we will be removing positions, how many games at a position requires a change, what is a true dual eligible player? etc,,,

[Shep]

Where are you guys getting these video sigs?

[inferno31]

Well I fucking hope Zetterberg gets LW because i wouldn't have traded Marleau for him especially knowing he was RW with Thornton. This roster limitation stuff this close to season start is ridiculous. TSN was basically chosen because it was liberal and was as close to leaving things alone as we could get. If things are changing people will need extra time to become compliant with there rosters because something like this would basically drop players values when you know you are dealing with a team with an illegal roster. Too damn close to season start imo. Why wasn't this issue brought up in JUNE? Imposing changes that will directly effect a teams players or players they have specifically traded for this late in the year is not good at all.

I agree with Kyle here, IMO use sportsnet as the default. Then if someone presents TSN to the mods and can back it up, let it be dual eligible.

[MSP4LYFE]

Well I fucking hope Zetterberg gets LW because i wouldn't have traded Marleau for him especially knowing he was RW with Thornton. This roster limitation stuff this close to season start is ridiculous. TSN was basically chosen because it was liberal and was as close to leaving things alone as we could get. If things are changing people will need extra time to become compliant with there rosters because something like this would basically drop players values when you know you are dealing with a team with an illegal roster. Too damn close to season start imo. Why wasn't this issue brought up in JUNE? Imposing changes that will directly effect a teams players or players they have specifically traded for this late in the year is not good at all.

This issue has been brought up long before June Kyle, so please don't use that as an excuse, secondly TSN.ca was not the liberal choice, as evidenced by above it was the furthest thing from it, if the goal was to keep things status quo, then why was this issue brought up in the first place...?

I am sympathetic to the concerns of those who paid X amount to obtain position eligibility, which is why I also feel a flexible deadline should be granted to those with players who need to be moved due to the site change (less than a handful). It isn't hard to comply with, and the pros far outweigh the cons, and as demonstrated by my trade of Richard Park, and Shiv's trade of Vincent Lecavalier it is evident that player values do not drop as you seem to be suggesting.

I get you don't want to lose eligibility on certain players Kyle, to be completely honest I would do the same thing in your shoes, but I never subscribed to the be honest and play fair theory...

[armandtanzarian]

Where are you guys getting these video sigs?

so sick eh? We have a master among us but i will not reveal his identity as he will be slammed with requests. But I am sure if you had the step by step you could make some sweet ones too. pm me...hehe

[Shep]

It's gotta be Tony..

[MSP4LYFE]

I agree with Kyle here, IMO use sportsnet as the default. Then if someone presents TSN to the mods and can back it up, let it be dual eligible.

Neel...What does this accomplish? Almost every single player in question (save for David Steckel) has dual eligibility on TSN, under your proposed method we would be using dual eligibility regardless, solves nothing, but creates holes.

Are you honestly telling me Chris Drury and Brandon Dubinsky (for example) are dual eligbile? How is that even possible given that they play on the same team, lol?

Look at the numbers draws taken/team, and fow, then compare it to each site, the numbers speak for themselves.

[MSP4LYFE]

Also if Sportsnet is so up to date then we also have to enforce the removal of positions. So if one player changes mid season multiple times, are we going to be removing positions ad forcing teams to adjust?

PS let me just say though that i do not disagree with Sportsnet. But we have to consider everything and how it applies to all gm's, the update frequency and whether we will be removing positions, how many games at a position requires a change, what is a true dual eligible player? etc,,,

My opinon on that subject is as follows, IF a players position is changed mid season, then and only then should X player be granted dual eligibility. That is the way it always should have been. Logically speaking a player can NEVER have dual eligibility to start the season, that doesn't make sense, unless the coach plans on playing X player on multiple lines, or is sifting him through the lineup as a bench player ala Wade Belak/Tyler Sloan, but those instances are so rare they hardly worth mentioning.

[inferno31]

I agree with Kyle here, IMO use sportsnet as the default. Then if someone presents TSN to the mods and can back it up, let it be dual eligible.

Neel...What does this accomplish? Almost every single player in question (save for David Steckel) has dual eligibility on TSN, under your proposed method we would be using dual eligibility regardless, solves nothing, but creates holes.

Are you honestly telling me Chris Drury and Brandon Dubinsky (for example) are dual eligbile? How is that even possible given that they play on the same team, lol?

Look at the numbers draws taken/team, and fow, then compare it to each site, the numbers speak for themselves.

Zetterberg being only listed as a C, and Regin being only listed as a C to start the season make me at least want to ask questions.

[MSP4LYFE]

Where are you guys getting these video sigs?

so sick eh? We have a master among us but i will not reveal his identity as he will be slammed with requests. But I am sure if you had the step by step you could make some sweet ones too. pm me...hehe

It's Tony...

[MSP4LYFE]

I agree with Kyle here, IMO use sportsnet as the default. Then if someone presents TSN to the mods and can back it up, let it be dual eligible.

Neel...What does this accomplish? Almost every single player in question (save for David Steckel) has dual eligibility on TSN, under your proposed method we would be using dual eligibility regardless, solves nothing, but creates holes.

Are you honestly telling me Chris Drury and Brandon Dubinsky (for example) are dual eligbile? How is that even possible given that they play on the same team, lol?

Look at the numbers draws taken/team, and fow, then compare it to each site, the numbers speak for themselves.

Zetterberg being only listed as a C, and Regin being only listed as a C to start the season make me at least want to ask questions.

I'm almost 100% confident Zetterberg will be moved back to LW, and if not I don't see anyone complaining if you were to request a position change on the grounds of common sense. There are exceptions to every rule, and Zetterberg would clearly be one of them.