David Backes Value Decreases...

[Nick]

huh?

http://www.dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_ ... ns&sent=go

This just further proves his dual eligibility lol he's almost always out there with another C, almost.

yet he's #1 on the team...


easy shiv, i could sit here quoting myself too.

[Nick]

honesty approach it is eh?

[shooker]

I find it funny how people keep saying well he is listed as this and that....the arguement is they are wrong....not that they aren't listed as that currently.

Shiv I can tell you didnt watch detroit this year. There were soo many other line combos to use as an argument.

[Shep]

6 pages on this? LOL!

[Nick]

6 pages on this? LOL!

So you don't think its important at all? I appreciate the light heartedness, and reminder that this is all for fun, but what's your opinion on the matter?

[bma]

Someone needs to summarize what you guys are arguing because I have no idea what you guys are arguing anymore.

This is what I'm getting from the thread.

Shiv vs. Facey
Neels on Shivs side
bshooks on Faceys side
Scott loves Craig Adams
MSP is being bitter about everything
Shep doesn't give a shit

and i have no idea what you guys are arguing..

[Scott]

Someone needs to summarize what you guys are arguing because I have no idea what you guys are arguing anymore.

This is what I'm getting from the thread.

Shiv vs. Facey
Neels on Shivs side
bshooks on Faceys side
Scott loves Craig Adams
MSP is being bitter about everything
Shep doesn't give a shit

and i have no idea what you guys are arguing..

Painful eh lol

[shooker]

Someone needs to summarize what you guys are arguing because I have no idea what you guys are arguing anymore.

This is what I'm getting from the thread.

Shiv vs. Facey
Neels on Shivs side
bshooks on Faceys side
Scott loves Craig Adams
MSP is being bitter about everything
Shep doesn't give a shit

and i have no idea what you guys are arguing..

lol note sides here and who takes face offs and are wingers:

Nick:
E Kane

Bryan:
Sharp

Kareem:
N/A


Scott:
Laich
Adams
Flash

Neel:
Steckle

Shiv:
Backes
Ott
Giroux
Oshie (not really though but a guy in question)


just saying seems like people have their own interests in mind here. I have always supported this and I had both sharp and laich on my team at one time.

[Scott]

Ya Bry, you had Laich & Sharp on your team last year and both as wingers. Laich won 150ish FOs and Fleischmann about the same.. they are hardly just C's.. dual eligibility at minimum. By that logic, Jerome Iginla should be a center.. he won 152 draws iirc.

[inferno31]

As I said previously regin will get dual eligibility so I will be fine regardless of changes to Steckel.

[shooker]

Ya Bry, you had Laich & Sharp on your team last year and both as wingers. Laich won 150ish FOs and Fleischmann about the same.. they are hardly just C's.. dual eligibility at minimum. By that logic, Jerome Iginla should be a center.. he won 152 draws iirc.

for the last time I am not calling them out. you guys keep throwing there names out in a way that favours you so I did the same. Those guys are the issue there are only a handful and most of those guys should have dual eligability. I am just throwing out the fact you guys are trying to turn this into a joke and brush it off but it needs to be addressed. I also thought it was funny the guys it affected were the ones that were against it not because they felt it shoudl be that way but to help them. this is the last I will say seems as though im talking to air here.

[Nick]

just of note, Hall's best rookie game was as Centre.... which Tom speculated was a nice line combo... oilers fans are craving it...

[armandtanzarian]

ugghh. This thread. BBKL is on the rag. Its fantasy hockey, its free. Positions are subjective for various reasons. big fucking deal. Some players have wing when they should be center and vice versa. who cares. Those are the players that are nice to have sometimes. If you don't have one , go trade for one. Why does everything have to be so damn beat to death? The direct conflict and arguing is getting old. Why can't we keep stuff simple and still have some fun? I could care less if Shiv has 14 centers or if you tell me all my wingers are now centers. Big fucking deal, I'll adjust. Seriously, this is a joke. pick a site and use it. simple. I vote TSN. Most comprehensive hockey conglomerate we have.

Apparently the honest route is out the window and people have to exploit the admins willing to change eligibility with some proof so we need to pick one site, then there goes your subjectivity. If you disagree with TSN, tough shit...email Scott Cullen and get him to prove your case and it will change. Hell, email Bob McKenzie if you feel lucky.

[bma]

This thread is a fucking shit show.

I have an idea..why can't we just stick with the positions CBS has?

It may not be 100% right/updated but its easy to police and its the easiest way to handle it.

You guys are thinking way too hard trying to think of this perfect rule that will never be perfect.

[MSP4LYFE]

ugghh. This thread. BBKL is on the rag. Its fantasy hockey, its free. Positions are subjective for various reasons. big fucking deal. Some players have wing when they should be center and vice versa. who cares. Those are the players that are nice to have sometimes. If you don't have one , go trade for one. Why does everything have to be so damn beat to death? The direct conflict and arguing is getting old. Why can't we keep stuff simple and still have some fun? I could care less if Shiv has 14 centers or if you tell me all my wingers are now centers. Big fucking deal, I'll adjust. Seriously, this is a joke. pick a site and use it. simple. I vote TSN. Most comprehensive hockey conglomerate we have.

Apparently the honest route is out the window and people have to exploit the admins willing to change eligibility with some proof so we need to pick one site, then there goes your subjectivity. If you disagree with TSN, tough shit...email Scott Cullen and get him to prove your case and it will change. Hell, email Bob McKenzie if you feel lucky.

This!

Some of you need to calm the fuck down...

BSA out

[armandtanzarian]

heres some fuel ..

Pens GM Ray Shero mentioned Comrie as a player that could help carry the load with Jordan Staal (foot infection) expected to miss the opening of the season, the Penguins' Web site reports.
(Updated 09/16/2010).
Analysis
"We were hoping he'd be ready for the start of the season; it looks like now that won't be the case," Bylsma said of Staal. "It's a major adjustment. But with the depth that we've added this summer, players like Mike Comrie, a guy that can play both wing and center, we have good options to fill some of what Jordan would bring." Of course, training camp will help determine which players play on different lines, but it's encouraging for Comrie fantasy owners that Pittsburgh's general manager would single him out.

is that proof of dual eligibility?

But to be simple why not just agree on one site and use it? How could anyone disagree with TSN? They are based solely on hockey and just use the other sports as fill in...You think CBS has a bigger hockey staff then TSN? don't think so...think of it this way. Canada = Hockey, TSN = the new mainstream of hockey in Canada, therefore TSN rules all. Simple. They add dual eligibility when it is warranted. Trust them.

[Robin Hood]

lol note sides here and who takes face offs and are wingers:

Nick:
E Kane

Bryan:
Sharp

Kareem:
N/A


Scott:
Laich
Adams
Flash

Neel:
Steckle

Shiv:
Backes
Ott
Giroux
Oshie (not really though but a guy in question)


just saying seems like people have their own interests in mind here. I have always supported this and I had both sharp and laich on my team at one time.

lol bry why does the cynicism continue? giroux and ott are not even being discussed here. and one of oshie/backes is going to be a center which is what im fine with. why is it necessary for you to attach a hidden motive. by the list you just gave i have a COUNTER cynical argument. Since you and nick do not have as many dual eligibile players, you are asking for it to be removed because you know teams like mine and scotts will kick your ass.

but OBVIOUSLY thats not the case. the same cynical argument youre making i can spin on its head and point the finger at you. but you know what? that doesnt solve the problem. these positional requirements for center that youre talking about would only effect one of oshie/backes on my team which ive already conceded is fine. yet you and nick continue to bring this point up.

and by the way, i probably watched 90% of wings games last year considering they have two of my favourite players so please dont tell me about how zetterberg is not a winger. you said this:

Shiv I can tell you didnt watch detroit this year. There were soo many other line combos to use as an argument.

the sentence ive underlined proves my point. DUAL ELIGIBILITY IS FOR PLAYERS WHO PLAY MORE THAN ONE POSITION FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME DURING THE YEAR.

are you saying zetterberg does not play Wing AND Center? if you are they you have not seen even 1 red wing game in your life, let alone last year.

if you've ever taken a basic logic course you should be familiar with the following:

if A leads B and B leads C, then A leads to C
but
if A leads C and B leads to C, then it is NOT necessary that A leads to B.

you guys are saying:

IF 400 + fow, THEN Center.

The problem is positions in hockey can vary throughout the year and in game as well. I.e:

1) A player can play Center on the PK, but Wing at Even Strength and sustains this pattern through the season. What position do you give him? Answer: dual-eligible.
2) A player can play Wing for 40 games of the year, and center for the remaining. What position do you give him? Answer: dual-eligible because it can very by coaches decision. A couple of years ago, Malkin had dual eligibility as C and LW on yahoo. This was when he alternated between Crosbys wing and 2nd line Center. He DESERVED to be dual-eligible then. Due to the "search for Crosby's winger" experiment, malkin was moved between the positions a LOT, game-to-game.

BOTH SITUATIONS 1 and 2 apply to a player like Zetterberg. He plays Wing and Center in each game and Babcock will choose to start him alternatively each game especially with hudler there to add scoring to the 2nd line.

How do you decide to take Winger status away from Zetterberg? How can you decide to take it away from Sharp who is almost the EXACT same situation in Chicago?

Answer: their positional eligibility is too blurred. you CAN'T take it away. AND THAT IS THEIR ASSET. Kyle has done a TREMENDOUS job in Boston by getting zetterberg. he has EARNED the right to have that pay off. you are trying to adjust something that NOT ONLY goes against what actually happens game to game in Detroit for example, but you are actually trying to take away an advantage away from a GM like kyle who has EARNED the right to have a winger who also takes FO LEGITIMATELY.

Find me a better system of classifying players positions. i'm all for making sure players have eligibility for ONLY they positions they deserve. but the system you guys are proposing is retarded. it takes away eligibility from players who LEGITIMATELY deserve it.

[shooker]

and by the way, i probably watched 90% of wings games last year considering they have two of my favourite players so please dont tell me about how zetterberg is not a winger. you said this:

Shiv I can tell you didnt watch detroit this year. There were soo many other line combos to use as an argument.

I am not even going to honor this with a response because aprently you cant read dude. I said SOOO MAAANNNNYYY OTTTTHHHHERRRR LINNNNNEEEE COOOMMMBBBBOOOOSSS TTOOOOO USSSSEEEE ASSSS ANNNN ARRGGGUUUMMMEEENNNTTTT. If you are going to quote me read what I said and dont take crap out of context. I believe kareem already proved my point in the CC about how anyone can do this.

you are asking for it to be removed because you know teams like mine and scotts will kick your ass but OBVIOUSLY thats not the case.

see and to be affraid to lose you must first think you will win. I am a very level headed person I KNOW I am not the favorite or close to so why would that be a driving factor...It is ONE fucking category these guys will hit other stats the same I dont see why you wont conceed this? It doesn't change these players from being considered valuable what does it matter, nick and I were only talking about changing three fucking people. if you want to continue being a dick about things fine I give up this isnt worth my time. I want a fair and honest league, I guess that is out of the question.

[Robin Hood]

and by the way, i probably watched 90% of wings games last year considering they have two of my favourite players so please dont tell me about how zetterberg is not a winger. you said this:

Shiv I can tell you didnt watch detroit this year. There were soo many other line combos to use as an argument.

I am not even going to honor this with a response because aprently you cant read dude. I said SOOO MAAANNNNYYY OTTTTHHHHERRRR LINNNNNEEEE COOOMMMBBBBOOOOSSS TTOOOOO USSSSEEEE ASSSS ANNNN ARRGGGUUUMMMEEENNNTTTT. If you are going to quote me read what I said and dont take crap out of context. I believe kareem already proved my point in the CC about how anyone can do this.

you are asking for it to be removed because you know teams like mine and scotts will kick your ass but OBVIOUSLY thats not the case.

see and to be affraid to lose you must first think you will win. I am a very level headed person I KNOW I am not the favorite or close to so why would that be a driving factor...It is ONE fucking category these guys will hit other stats the same I dont see why you wont conceed this? It doesn't change these players from being considered valuable what does it matter, nick and I were only talking about changing three fucking people. if you want to continue being a dick about things fine I give up this isnt worth my time. I want a fair and honest league, I guess that is out of the question.

again bry, you cannot change it when the line for what position they play is blurred. im not being a dick. you are the one who is attaching the wrong motive to me. and i keep saying stop being cynical and focus on the discussion. answer this simple question: how is zetterberg NOT dual-eligible. if you can answer that and convince the majority of the league, we can use your system. but trust me. you wont ever be able to answer it properly. because the system you guys are proposing is flawed. the ONLY system that is possible is using 1 source that we use as our bible: i.e. tsn. it does not matter if we agree with everything on whichever source we use. but whatever that source is, can be the point of reference. after that everything is up to the site. it is the ONLY legitimate way to do it. we can have a vote on which site to use as a reference. that is a reasonable solution. not implementing our own interpretation of the positions because like myself and several other people have said, that is SUBJECTIVE.

[bills09]

BBKL's monthly summer menstrual cycle contines.
easy up with that heavy flow boys.