I'm usually a big Team Canada supporter, but after leaving Lupul off the summer try-outs, and snubbing Phaneuf and Bernier they can go fuck themselves for all I care. Can you tell where my allegiances lie?SuperMario wroteCOLONI knew you'd agree with me hahaMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm actively cheering for Team USA, and have been since the start. I want Team USA to win Gold, and Kessel to get tournament MVP.
I think this is something people miss a lot.MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONConfidence is a big part of competitive sports, and winning against the best teams in the world breeds confidence.bma wroteCOLONI think you're reaching
I agree completely.SuperMario wroteCOLONI think this is something people miss a lot.
I want Kessel to beat the Czechs tomorrow. They have Krejci (fuck Boston), Gudas (TBL), Plekanec (MTL) etc. etc.
When the US plays Canada, it's guys like Bergeron (fuck Boston) and Crosby and St. Louis who Toronto will need to go through. Kessel having a major win over those players is not a small thing when they face each other again in the playoffs.
And Crosby scores game winner?hong57 wroteCOLONi kinda hav the same feeling with shiv sometimes.. but for me i wish canada wins 8-7 so it shows that price sucks and fucking babcock made the wrong decisions again and that luongo is always then man but gets forgotten by these people
Nick wroteCOLONDon't care. Canada all the way.
I repeat, I feel this way about Kessel/JVR ONLY IF Canada loses tomorrow. But I would be completely fine with the Americans winning Friday. It really isn't life and death for me.bma wroteCOLONI feel like you guys are setting it up so that IF the Americans beat Team Canada on Friday..you guys will play it off like you were never cheering for Team Canada and that you always wanted Phil, JVR and the Americans to win the gold anyways.
I think you're underestimating the impact of a run like this on Kessel and JVR. Winning gold isn't a small thing. Winning an olympic semi-final vs Canada and the olympic final isn't a small thing. Now, here is where I will agree with you: if Kessel and JVR are back benchers on that journey, it likely won't help them a lot. But that's not the case...Kessel leads the competition in points and goals. He likely will win tournament MVP. And if that is what what happens, I think you are underestimating the power of positive reinforcement in sports.bma wroteCOLONI still don't see how JVR and Kessel winning gold as part of a 25 man roster would somehow help the Leafs be better against the Penguins, Bruins or Tampa in the NHL. Major reach imo. I mean I could argue that if Kessel and JVR win gold in Sochi, they will be on cruise control and be super complacent the rest of the year after achieving such a huge hockey achievement this year already.
I get that you guys are Leaf fans. So am I. But this isn't Team Canada vs. the Toronto Maple Leafs. This is Canada hockey vs. American hockey. The US losing on Friday will not make Kessel or JVR worse hockey players. And likewise, them winning will not make them better hockey players. You might have a better argument if this was Tennis where it's a 1 on 1 sport but hockey isn't one of them.
This is a really one sided example.shooker wroteCOLONLou won Gold and then had a terrible showing in that playoffs VS CHI. Winning Olympics only further extends a winning pedigree, it doesn't create one.
Not sure how you can be a "big" Team Canada supporter and then all of a sudden be rooting for USA hockey because you believe Hockey Canada should've considered 3 players that wern't considered.MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm usually a big Team Canada supporter, but after leaving Lupul off the summer try-outs, and snubbing Phaneuf and Bernier they can go fuck themselves for all I care. Can you tell where my allegiances lie?SuperMario wroteCOLONI knew you'd agree with me hahaMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm actively cheering for Team USA, and have been since the start. I want Team USA to win Gold, and Kessel to get tournament MVP.
Burn.bma wroteCOLONNot sure how you can be a "big" Team Canada supporter and then all of a sudden be rooting for USA hockey because you believe Hockey Canada should've considered 3 players that wern't considered.MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm usually a big Team Canada supporter, but after leaving Lupul off the summer try-outs, and snubbing Phaneuf and Bernier they can go fuck themselves for all I care. Can you tell where my allegiances lie?SuperMario wroteCOLONI knew you'd agree with me hahaMSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI'm actively cheering for Team USA, and have been since the start. I want Team USA to win Gold, and Kessel to get tournament MVP.
What boggles my mind is how you are still a leaf fan then..because they always make the right personnel moves?
This.bma wroteCOLONShiv, I think you are trying to make something that is rightfully subjective into something objective. You are making it seem like USA winning gold or beating Canada will help Kessel and JVR become better players for the Leafs like its a foregone conclusion. There are so many random, subjective factors that come into play that makes it basically impossible for there to be any correlation, let alone any causation to what you are saying.
Disagree strongly but I think arguments for both sides have been made already. Let's see how it plays out.shooker wroteCOLONThis.bma wroteCOLONShiv, I think you are trying to make something that is rightfully subjective into something objective. You are making it seem like USA winning gold or beating Canada will help Kessel and JVR become better players for the Leafs like its a foregone conclusion. There are so many random, subjective factors that come into play that makes it basically impossible for there to be any correlation, let alone any causation to what you are saying.
Me saying it didn't help Lou is equally subjective to Shiv's assumption that a USA gold would help either or both of Kessel and JVR. It's grasping at straws to find what I think shiv feels is an inevitable silver lining to a Canada loss. Have some faith brother.
It's different man. I could never cheer for the Habs. But I have a rooting interest with the US with two of the Leafs' building blocks on there. Why not root for my team's players if Canada is out?shooker wroteCOLONThat's like saying "I want Sweden to beat Finland because I'd prefer Sweden to win if Canada doesn't" when Fin should be an easier matchup for Canada and the team one should cheer for.
To give you our point of view Shiv, would be so optimistically viewing the success of another NHL team if they were about to play your Maple Leafs? I feel the answer would be no.
