JORDAN EBERLE

[Bruyns]

I also think Schenn has first line potential, which is why I paid a price to add him. He was drafted in the same class as Kadri and I don't think anyone would argue Kadri has reached his max potential already. Hoping he follows a similar development path as JVR.

[kimmer]

Both Kadri and Schenn has 70 pt potential

[Arian The Insider]

Thats potential though. I'm very high on couturier myself but the point is they are struggling right now due to pieces missing and lack of a proper coach. There's no denying their forwards are very young and have room to grow however.

[The BBKL Insider]

i'm very excited to see Nicks response to this 3 pages of trashing lol

[Arian The Insider]

In his defense Giroux is a beast even though he's struggling at the moment

[anton]

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........................



does anyone have an offer on eberle?

i did, but u fucked it up

no you

[Nick]

My statement was not: The Flyer forwards are scoring enough goals. I said the forward group they have is fine -> they are a capable group, and will score goals eventually. Bunch of pre-teens damning an entire group of forwards 15 games into a season, LOL.

Having watched a bunch of their games I do not believe they have any problems with their forward lineup. No they are not scoring, but that's the end result of a slew of other problems. Not that they are without guilt - team is broken, including their own play.

Their goal-tending is awful, it doesn't pass the visual test when watching. I mean awful. Sure sv% is fine, teams throw junk at them because junk goes in. Emery is a great backup IMO, but he's being used more than that; Mason is junk, team has zero confidence in him, which is more than he has in himself.

Their d is the slowest in the league, and outside of streit ( and gustavfson) lack the ability to give a pass that a forward can actually transition with. Their frigging breakout requires a centre to start at the crease - that's basically a certain dmaning of their puck moving ability. No team gets beat to the outside more often. No team rings the puck around the boards in their own end more, and I doubt any team has tipped more pucks into their own net.

I personally really like their mix of wingers, Vinny with super high end skill, Schenn on the wing is a nice mix of physicality and play-making (but I prefer him @ C), Read is a solid all around player, Hartnell brings physical play and dirty goals, Simmonds has wheels, a nice shot and good grit, Downie IMO a wicked add with the pest ability and acceptable offensive skill to play top6. Raffl sucks, Rinaldo IMO is an awful semi-tough guy, and Rosie takes garbage penalties way too often. But this is a capable group - and we haven't mentioned their best winger in Voracek, who IMO is definitely a first line player. kid has unreal wheels and nice hands, no shit isn't flowing for him right now, but it will - he won't 'make a line' but he's similar to lots of other 1st line 30g wingers IMO.

In the middle of the rink, it goes without saying that I think G is sick, easily a #1 C - that statement is not from one good season (300pts in his first 350gp, 55pts in 50 playoff games). Couturier is looking a little slow to me - but still going to be awesome. Schenn has some growing pains into a #2 C, but who doesn't? I'd put him against Turris, Bozak, Stastny, Weiss, Bolland, Sutter, Legwand etc..



Even without a coaching change or help on the backend, I believe this forward group will start going - otherwise I'd have moved G already (and not traded for him in another league )
but this is actually an strong forward group IMO, and as any good GM knows, you build your team from the blueline out, and this team has gigantic problems on the back end.

Comparing them to the coyotes is the absolute opposite, outside of a few forwards they lack scoring (and any real ppg threats), however their back end and goal-tending is among the best in the league, certaintly capable of setting the forwards up in positions to try to do something.

I know that anyone who's played forward with a group of dman who are not able to give you the puck in anything resembling a good situation understand what is happening with the Flyers. It's even worse for these dmen when they are SO focused on not giving even a reasonable shot up against their goalies. It's a death spiral.


Coburn and Grossman should never touch the ice together, but add in Schenn and current play of Mez to the previous trio and you have an awful situaiton. Individually all belong in the NHL, just not together in the roles they are in. Timmonen looks to have finally lost a step as well. IMO Streit is alone back there and even he might be being asked too much of.

[The BBKL Insider]

Their goal-tending is awful, it doesn't pass the visual test when watching. I mean awful. Sure sv% is fine, teams throw junk at them because junk goes in. Emery is a great backup IMO, but he's being used more than that; Mason is junk, team has zero confidence in him, which is more than he has in himself.

I watched their game the other night, and the exact words of Brube duing an intermission was

"our goalies keep us in the game - and our players put a lot of faith in them, its why they aren't trying in the defensive end - they expect Mason or Emery to make saves they shouldn't have too"

i honestly find it hard to take anything you say seriously,,,sure i joke, and lie about rumours a lot, but the stuff that you say is serioulsy on another planet at times.

like, if i asked your opinion on a trade i'd do the exact opposite.

[Nick]

Off ice issues there Steven?

What's up with the personal attack?

[anton]

why is it that nick always feels like he's being attacked lol

everytime i respond to a pm he responds with some form of "whoa man, no need to get personal"

[Robin Hood]

Off ice issues there Steven?

What's up with the personal attack?

Your post had personal attacks too buddy. Might want to re read it.

As far as your point are concerned, no one is saying Flyers forwards are bad or won't improve. But what people are saying is that a lot of the players are mis-cast. You keep coming back to their D which everyone is unanimous on. But your points on their goaltending are terrible. Their goaltending has been great.

[The BBKL Insider]

Off ice issues there Steven?

What's up with the personal attack?

no personal attacks, just personal opinions in here!

[The BBKL Insider]

Off ice issues there Steven?

What's up with the personal attack?

Your post had personal attacks too buddy. Might want to re read it.

As far as your point are concerned, no one is saying Flyers forwards are bad or won't improve. But what people are saying is that a lot of the players are mis-cast. You keep coming back to their D which everyone is unanimous on. But your points on their goaltending are terrible. Their goaltending has been great.

Essentially what shiv said

[Nick]

What's up with the personal attack?

Your post had personal attacks too buddy. Might want to re read it.

where?

[Robin Hood]

What's up with the personal attack?

Your post had personal attacks too buddy. Might want to re read it.

where?

Here:

Bunch of pre-teens damning an entire group of forwards 15 games into a season, LOL

I don't care though. You seem to take any shot taken to be a "personal" response. But guys rip on each other for fun all the time, so I don't take things like this personally. Lol you wouldn't survive with my group of friends.

[Nick]

why is it that nick always feels like he's being attacked lol

everytime i respond to a pm he responds with some form of "whoa man, no need to get personal"

I know your go to troll is to act confused... but what's up with that 2nd troll?

[Nick]

Here:

Bunch of pre-teens damning an entire group of forwards 15 games into a season, LOL

.

A joke in regards to the media and masses damning the flyers forward group. Definitely not intended to be directed at Steve.

[anton]

reminds me of my roommate. he's a sheltered religious kid from indiana and you can't give him shit without him taking it seriously. ill razz him over a text and he'll respond with "im sorry you feel that way" hahaha. i die everytime.

im moving out in december.

[Nick]

no personal attacks, just personal opinions in here!

Somehow you got off the topic of opinions regarding NHL players/teams and onto your opinion of me.

i honestly find it hard to take anything you say seriously

that you say is serioulsy on another planet at times

if i asked your opinion on a trade i'd do the exact opposite.

Back to the flyers: I believe scoring goals and having goals scored against are both products of all 6 guys on the ice. Yes goalies should have the biggest impact on goals against, and yes forwards should have the biggest impact on goals scored, but IMO dmen have the biggest impact on the game - and can ruin either/both zones of the game.

You end up with forwards starting too deep in their own zone, flat and with less options than they should have. In the O-zone putting it back to the point is not a good offensive move which also limits their scoring in a big way. Now - I have no solution for their PowerPlay, and believe they have the right players to have a great power play - chemistry? Coaching? snake-bit? combo of all 3? Sometimes I know I forget o give credit to opponents in the scheme of things, the difference from a goal to not a goal is often very small.

[kimmer]

reminds me of my roommate. he's a sheltered religious kid from indiana and you can't give him shit without him taking it seriously. ill razz him over a text and he'll respond with "im sorry you feel that way" hahaha. i die everytime.

im moving out in december.

While you freely always rip on religion, and label them as these sensitive kids, I, as a religious person (seriously I go to church every sunday), often see "your" type of "be strong and believe in your own abilities and confidence"-type guys that think you're much more smarter and more rational than religious people that mock religion for reasons what you think you see religion as portrayed by mass media and extremists and micro-examples of every day dorks like your own roommate (HUGE run-on), must tell you that I am just as cool, and confident, and able to discuss with non-religious dorks just as hard and fool them. Why would people assume having a religion equals being sheltered? I often run into sheltered rich kids who get to travel all over the world and be just as ignorant and dumb as a fucking truck while I worked my ass off and purcahsed my first home in Toronto as a 27 yr old. People who seeked out to be religious after years of being lost in life and shitted on by all of his families happenes to be some of my best source of non-religion related societal insight and wisdom to how to live in this secular world. Religious and non-religious people have absolutely have nothing different in core when you know the perspectives of both lifestyles. Non-religious people actually don't know anything about religious people in hindsightm but only what they see in foresight; that they believe in a god.