This Is What Happens When You Put PHI & WSH In the Same Div.

[armandtanzarian]

Honestly Lee, with everyone of your arguments I can see the glimmer in Kareem's eyes right through my screen. As much as you guys are butting heads right now, you are the same...lol. You will learn to enjoy each other...

[MSP4LYFE]

Bozak was never drafted so yes I'd assume that he did grow 4 inches and put on 30 lbs. Did you know that Bozak had 1 better year than Yip in the BCHL? How about that Yip was better than Bozak in the NCAA? They both took the long road to the NHL. One because he had no choice, the other because he was drafted and chose to get an education. Yip played 6 games in the minors before jumping to the NHL. Bozak played 32.

Again you are using draft positon to determine a players worth and you can't understand the correlation between worth and draft positon. I was hoping that you would with the Zetterberg comparison, such as it is, but apparently not.

Bozak NCAA Career:

Year 1: 18G 16A = 34 points in 41 games
Year 2: 8G 15A = 23 points in 19 games

Yip NCAA Career:

Year 1: 9G, 22A = 31 points in 39 games
Year 2: 5G, 6A = 11 points in 18 games
Year 3: 11G, 12A = 23 points in 37 games
Year 4: 20G, 23 A = 43 points in 45 games

And this is ignoring the fact that Bozak played on an inferior team and line, and has significant edges in skill that put him over the top. Moreover, your point regarding AHL time is invalid, Yip spent 4 and a half seasons developing after being drafted, AHL + NCAA. Bozak developed 2 seasons in the NCAA and a half season in the minors, so again the edge goes to Bozak. Furthermore, Bozak is 11 months younger, or a full development year behind Yip, and despite this still managed make a bigger impact in the NHL, in a larger sample size, on a higher line, and against better opposition no less.

As for your second point, I never once claimed that higher draft position guarantees greater sucess, that was a sad attempt by you to regain any semblance of an argument to save face, and achieve the allusion of a valid argument, which is obviously not the case. So stop bringing up Henrik Zetterberg, he is a proven superstar, Brandon Yip has shown decent production in a limited sample size, after the injury to David Jones. Thanks for coming out Lee...

[Lee]

So now you are using everything I told you on MSN as evidence to somehow prove me wrong?

Yip was playing 3rd line minutes in a much lesser role against the teams grinding lines and still managed to put up .12 less PPG than Bozak who played first line minutes with far better players. Since you are threatening to post our MSN convo, here goes:

Lee says: (1:03:13 PM)
seriously. stop talking about yip vs bozak . you know nothing about yip.
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:03:26 PM)
you know nothing period
Lee says: (1:03:41 PM)
really? I knew he spent 4 years in the NCAA, not in the AHl
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:04:15 PM)
that was a jest in reponse to your 6 year AHL comment...Dumbass
Lee says: (1:04:23 PM)
im sure it was
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:04:27 PM)
u make this way too easy
Lee says: (1:08:54 PM)
im not the one making blake out to be horrible considering he was better every year in the NCAA than Bozak and Yip. I don't see either guy ever scoring 40 goals.
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:07 PM)
different era
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:12 PM)
different team
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:14 PM)
different gp
Lee says: (1:09:17 PM)
I'd hope so. the guy is 35 years old
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:32 PM)
and most importantly different skill set
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:50 PM)
your inability to comprehend these simple differences is honestly funny
Lee says: (1:09:54 PM)
what about yip being better in the NCAA ?
Lee says: (1:10:42 PM)
its easy to get first line minutes on a shit team as opposed to 3rd on a very good team.. and yet they had close to the same pace
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:10 PM)
bozak had better numbers in the NCAA
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:13 PM)
and on a worst team
Lee says: (1:11:16 PM)
he did? where?
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:29 PM)
university of denver check the stats smart ass
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:34 PM)
he was over ppg in both seasons there
Lee says: (1:11:56 PM)
no he wasnt
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:01 PM)
u cant compare the senior season of yip because well he was a senior...
Lee says: (1:12:06 PM)
34 piints in 41 games in not ppg
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:41 PM)
23 in 19 the next
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:42 PM)
but yes u are right
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:45 PM)
not ppg in both
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:51 PM)
still his numbers are better than yip
Lee says: (1:13:34 PM)
really? because I see yip with 43 points, which is  9 more than Bozak in 4 more games
Lee says: (1:13:46 PM)
but it was his senior year so we can discount that
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:13:50 PM)
43 points as a senior...
Lee says: (1:14:06 PM)
but lets ignore that BOzak was in a bigger role in the NHL playing with better people while we are at it
Lee says: (1:14:21 PM)
and yet Yip scored at almost the same clip
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:13 PM)
bozak played against the oppositions best defence
Lee says: (1:16:15 PM)
.12 difference. I guess thats a huge jump from someone playing 1st line minutes to someone playing 3rd line minutes?
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:17 PM)
and in a bigger sample sie
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:24 PM)
i cant believe u are comparing the two
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:26 PM)
also bozak is 23
Lee says: (1:16:30 PM)
yip played against the grinding line
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:38 PM)
yip is 25
Lee says: (1:16:51 PM)
they were born a year apart
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:52 PM)
yip played agsint the second and third units
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:15 PM)
nonetheless
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:17 PM)
bozak is younger
Lee says: (1:17:18 PM)
they are 11 months apart lol
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:39 PM)
11 months of 4 months
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:43 PM)
its irrelevant
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:49 PM)
its still a full dev year
Lee says: (1:17:51 PM)
not when you are wrong, i suppose
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:00 PM)
ok bud
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:03 PM)
im in the wrong here
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:06 PM)
yip = bozak
Lee says: (1:18:09 PM)
3rd liner scoring at almost the same clip as a first liner
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:12 PM)
despite all evidence to the contrary
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:21 PM)
yip didnt play third line minutes...
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:36 PM)
he played alot of second line when jones was injured
Lee says: (1:18:50 PM)
what evidence? he is less than a year older, was better in the NCAA and almost as good playing a far lesser role with worse players on the 3rd line
Lee says: (1:20:41 PM)
well I guess i was wrong about something. He is 13 months older. 
Lee says: (1:21:00 PM)
or no im retarded 11
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:21:01 PM)
are you still talking?
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:21:07 PM)
im putting all the evidence on bbkl
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:21:14 PM)
so everyone can see first hand what an idiot you are
Lee says: (1:21:17 PM)
okay
Lee says: (1:21:36 PM)
it will be like when I was proved wrong with Nick


Feel free to post what was said before that. I closed the conversation.

[Radiohead]

[MSP4LYFE]

So Bozak would have went ahead of Yip even though Yip was a lot better in the NCAA?


2. And I can name hundreds of NHL players who produced in a limited sample size, and went on to do nothing for the remainder of their careers.
Hopefully Bozak isn't one of those players.



3. When a player needs 6 seasons in the AHL, chances are they aren't that good...
You know fuck all about Brandon Yip. He spent 4 years in the NCAA.


4. He is about 1/2 years away, certainly not the 5/6 Yip took.
To get an education?


5. Bozak is a highly regarded 23 year old center who produced in a top line role against the oppositions best defenders. Jason Blake is a 36 year old forward who went undrafted as well, but without the track record, or natural skills of Bozak at the NCAA level.
Bozak can only hope that he is as productive in the NHL as Jason Blake has been. Blake was 100X the player either Yip or Bozak were in the NCAA

1. Both would have went undrafted, and Yip was not better than Bozak in the NCAA, nvm "alot better"...

2. Hopefully not. (fail to see your point...)

3. Your ability to read into humour is impressive.

4. I'm sure education played a role, development did as well. Yip was not ready for the show and would have spent time in the AHL if he opted out of college early.

[MSP4LYFE]

So now you are using everything I told you on MSN as evidence to somehow prove me wrong?

Yip was playing 3rd line minutes in a much lesser role against the teams grinding lines and still managed to put up .12 less PPG than Bozak who played first line minutes with far better players. Since you are threatening to post our MSN convo, here goes:

Lee says: (1:03:13 PM)
seriously. stop talking about yip vs bozak . you know nothing about yip.
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:03:26 PM)
you know nothing period
Lee says: (1:03:41 PM)
really? I knew he spent 4 years in the NCAA, not in the AHl
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:04:15 PM)
that was a jest in reponse to your 6 year AHL comment...Dumbass
Lee says: (1:04:23 PM)
im sure it was
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:04:27 PM)
u make this way too easy
Lee says: (1:08:54 PM)
im not the one making blake out to be horrible considering he was better every year in the NCAA than Bozak and Yip. I don't see either guy ever scoring 40 goals.
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:07 PM)
different era
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:12 PM)
different team
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:14 PM)
different gp
Lee says: (1:09:17 PM)
I'd hope so. the guy is 35 years old
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:32 PM)
and most importantly different skill set
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:09:50 PM)
your inability to comprehend these simple differences is honestly funny
Lee says: (1:09:54 PM)
what about yip being better in the NCAA ?
Lee says: (1:10:42 PM)
its easy to get first line minutes on a shit team as opposed to 3rd on a very good team.. and yet they had close to the same pace
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:10 PM)
bozak had better numbers in the NCAA
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:13 PM)
and on a worst team
Lee says: (1:11:16 PM)
he did? where?
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:29 PM)
university of denver check the stats smart ass
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:11:34 PM)
he was over ppg in both seasons there
Lee says: (1:11:56 PM)
no he wasnt
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:01 PM)
u cant compare the senior season of yip because well he was a senior...
Lee says: (1:12:06 PM)
34 piints in 41 games in not ppg
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:41 PM)
23 in 19 the next
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:42 PM)
but yes u are right
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:45 PM)
not ppg in both
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:12:51 PM)
still his numbers are better than yip
Lee says: (1:13:34 PM)
really? because I see yip with 43 points, which is  9 more than Bozak in 4 more games
Lee says: (1:13:46 PM)
but it was his senior year so we can discount that
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:13:50 PM)
43 points as a senior...
Lee says: (1:14:06 PM)
but lets ignore that BOzak was in a bigger role in the NHL playing with better people while we are at it
Lee says: (1:14:21 PM)
and yet Yip scored at almost the same clip
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:13 PM)
bozak played against the oppositions best defence
Lee says: (1:16:15 PM)
.12 difference. I guess thats a huge jump from someone playing 1st line minutes to someone playing 3rd line minutes?
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:17 PM)
and in a bigger sample sie
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:24 PM)
i cant believe u are comparing the two
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:26 PM)
also bozak is 23
Lee says: (1:16:30 PM)
yip played against the grinding line
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:38 PM)
yip is 25
Lee says: (1:16:51 PM)
they were born a year apart
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:16:52 PM)
yip played agsint the second and third units
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:15 PM)
nonetheless
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:17 PM)
bozak is younger
Lee says: (1:17:18 PM)
they are 11 months apart lol
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:39 PM)
11 months of 4 months
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:43 PM)
its irrelevant
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:17:49 PM)
its still a full dev year
Lee says: (1:17:51 PM)
not when you are wrong, i suppose
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:00 PM)
ok bud
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:03 PM)
im in the wrong here
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:06 PM)
yip = bozak
Lee says: (1:18:09 PM)
3rd liner scoring at almost the same clip as a first liner
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:12 PM)
despite all evidence to the contrary
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:21 PM)
yip didnt play third line minutes...
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:18:36 PM)
he played alot of second line when jones was injured
Lee says: (1:18:50 PM)
what evidence? he is less than a year older, was better in the NCAA and almost as good playing a far lesser role with worse players on the 3rd line
Lee says: (1:20:41 PM)
well I guess i was wrong about something. He is 13 months older. 
Lee says: (1:21:00 PM)
or no im retarded 11
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:21:01 PM)
are you still talking?
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:21:07 PM)
im putting all the evidence on bbkl
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:21:14 PM)
so everyone can see first hand what an idiot you are
Lee says: (1:21:17 PM)
okay
Lee says: (1:21:36 PM)
it will be like when I was proved wrong with Nick


Feel free to post what was said before that. I closed the conversation.

1. The evidence I was reffering to was the post you made on BBKL, not our MSN history.

2. This further proves you are an idiot...Not vice versa.

[armandtanzarian]

Who's Yip and Werek?

[Lee]

1. Both would have went undrafted, and Yip was not better than Bozak in the NCAA, nvm "alot better"...

2. Hopefully not. (fail to see your point...)

3. Your ability to read into humour is impressive.

4. I'm sure education played a role, development did as well. Yip was not ready for the show and would have spent time in the AHL if he opted out of college early.

1 ) Stats say otherwise. If we are excluding Yip's senior year, we can exclude Bozak's last year in the BCHL and say that Yip was better than him in the BCHL as well. Let's exclude Bozak's first year in the NCAA and Yip's second year in the NCAA and then Yip was better. You can't pick and choose stats because they do or don't help your argument.

2) Not really sure I have one.

3) You say humor, I say:

Lee says: (1:03:13 PM)
seriously. stop talking about yip vs bozak . you know nothing about yip.
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:03:26 PM)
you know nothing period
Lee says: (1:03:41 PM)
really? I knew he spent 4 years in the NCAA, not in the AHl
MSP - Washington - BBKL says: (1:04:15 PM)
that was a jest in reponse to your 6 year AHL comment...Dumbass
Lee says: (1:04:23 PM)
im sure it was

4) Yip was not ready for the show? Do you know this through extensive research or just pulling opinion from your ass? Maybe he wanted an education because he was an 8th round pick and wasn't guaranteed a spot in the NHL? Instead he got an education, played better than Bozak and made it to the NHL. Those are facts, not opinions or selective looking.

[MSP4LYFE]

1. What...Did you just say you can't pick and choose stats, and proceed to..pick and choose stats? LMFAO...I compared their rookie and sophomore seasons in the NCAA at the same age, since that is the only fair way to compare the two, and in both seasons Bozak outperformed Brandon Yip. Secondly, Bozak was a much better player in the BCHL once he hit his growth spurt in 05-06 onwards. Further proving your point invalid.

2. Whats new?

3. Again..humour, it's funny you still don't see it.

4. It is well known that Yip spent the full 4 seasons in the NCAA because he needed additional development, such is the case for 8th round picks...If you were right, and he was a lock to make the NHL after 2 seasons of NCAA hockey, than he would have made the roster immediately out of camp, and not been a recall after the Jones injury.

5. (Missed this above) Jason Blake played in a different era of NCAA hockey, you cannot compare his stats to Bozak and Yip, but looking back on his NHL career it is clear that there are holes in his game, and outside of speed he is lacking in talent. The same cannot be said about Bozak, hence why he was so hyped and coveted as a FA, and Blake was not.

[MSP4LYFE]

Brandon Yip,

You graduated from BU with a degree in criminal justice. After your career is over do you want to do something in that field?

Hopefully my career is long enough where I can golf the rest of my days, but if it doesn't work out, it was pretty interesting taking it in college. It's something I'd look into, but now I'm just focusing on hockey.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... nhl-218412

Doesn't sound like a guy who stayed in the NCAA to finish of his degree, hockey appears to be first and foremost, and had he been ready to make the jump in the eyes of the Avs scouts I'm confident he would have left the NCAA. Of course this is mostly speculation.

[Lee]

1. What...Did you just say you can't pick and choose stats, and proceed to..pick and choose stats? LMFAO...I compared their rookie and sophomore seasons in the NCAA at the same age, since that is the only fair way to compare the two, and in both seasons Bozak outperformed Brandon Yip. Secondly, Bozak was a much better player in the BCHL once he hit his growth spurt in 05-06 onwards. Further proving your point invalid.

2. Whats new?

3. Again..humour, it's funny you still don't see it.

4. It is well known that Yip spent the full 4 seasons in the NCAA because he needed additional development, such is the case for 8th round picks...If you were right, and he was a lock to make the NHL after 2 seasons of NCAA hockey, than he would have made the roster immediately out of camp, and not been a recall after the Jones injury.

5. (Missed this above) Jason Blake played in a different era of NCAA hockey, you cannot compare his stats to Bozak and Yip, but looking back on his NHL career it is clear that there are holes in his game, and outside of speed he is lacking in talent. The same cannot be said about Bozak, hence why he was so hyped and coveted as a FA, and Blake was not.

1) Irony is really lost on the youth of today.

2) My knee is kinda sore.

3) Trying to pass off a lack of your own intelligence as anything other than it was is the humorous part.

4) Bozak didn't make the camp. And we had shit all for centers. And regarding Yip's development, you haven't said anything that I didn't tell you.

5) Players lacking in talent generally don't score 40 goals in the NHL.

[Lee]

Brandon Yip,

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... nhl-218412

Doesn't sound like a guy who stayed in the NCAA to finish of his degree, hockey appears to be first and foremost, and had he been ready to make the jump in the eyes of the Avs scouts I'm confident he would have left the NCAA. Of course this is mostly speculation.

Why wouldn't he focus on hockey after the NCAA career that he had?

[MSP4LYFE]

1) Irony is really lost on the youth of today.

2) My knee is kinda sore.

3) Trying to pass off a lack of your own intelligence as anything other than it was is the humorous part.

4) Bozak didn't make the camp. And we had shit all for centers. And regarding Yip's development, you haven't said anything that I didn't tell you.

5) Players lacking in talent generally don't score 40 goals in the NHL.

You know what, you win...I don't have the patience to argue with you anymore. I'm an idiot, and didn't know Yip played 4 seasons in the NCAA, even after having a thorough debate with you over his NCAA stats v. Bozaks, Yip is comparable to Zetterberg, Bozak wasn't at leafs camp, you told me everything I know about Yip even though I targeted him before discussing ay of this with you, Blake is an uber talented sniper and Ethan Werek + 2 NHL'ers for Yip is a bogus offer for Yip, meanwhile Zack Kassian is appropriate payment. Did I miss anything chief?

[MSP4LYFE]

Why wouldn't he focus on hockey after the NCAA career that he had?

:facepalm:

[Lee]

I brought up his 4 years in the NCAA after you said that he spent 6 in the AHL.
I never said he was comparable. I said that they were in a similar situation. English is hard.
I never said he wasn't at the camp. Maybe i worded it wrong, but I was saying he didn't make the team from out of camp. It's quite apparently that my spelling is shitty.
He was in the NCAA and he scored 40 in the NHL.
2 NHLers? Sure, If neither having a full season and barely a full season between them counts as NHLers. I made it quite apparent to you multiple times that I have no interest in Werek but you still try to push him on me.
Yes you did. You give up too easily.

[MSP4LYFE]

I brought up his 4 years in the NCAA after you said that he spent 6 in the AHL.
I never said he was comparable. I said that they were in a similar situation. English is hard.
I never said he wasn't at the camp. Maybe i worded it wrong, but I was saying he didn't make the team from out of camp. It's quite apparently that my spelling is shitty.
He was in the NCAA and he scored 40 in the NHL.
2 NHLers? Sure, If neither having a full season and barely a full season between them counts as NHLers. I made it quite apparent to you multiple times that I have no interest in Werek but you still try to push him on me.
Yes you did. You give up too easily.

You can't win an argument against an idiot, they bring you down to their level and win by experience. I was outclassed from the beginning...

[Tony]

Nice return!

[Nick]

yip own't even have his spot, jones is back and kicking ass...he played right after me the other night..

[anton]

new bbkl motto:



and before i get a 4 paragraph response from kareem, this is not directly related to this deal but rather an emerging theme of the last little while...

[MSP4LYFE]

LOL...

Right or not, this a theme in all of the major North American sports, not just by fans, but GM's alike.