STL/Philly trade

[MSP4LYFE]

It's not always about you, buttercup.

It is when you name 3 players that I have owned at one time or another...Dumbass.

[Lee]

It is when you name 3 players that I have owned at one time or another...Dumbass.

You're cute with your one insult used over and over again.

[armandtanzarian]

Kareem, I guarantee Lee will be your best bud in here in about 2 weeks...hahaha You guys will be like the two cools guys that fight it out for BBKL tough guy domination just to realize that you really enjoy each others company...

[Lee]

Kareem, I guarantee Lee will be your best bud in here in about 2 weeks...hahaha You guys will be like the two cools guys that fight it out for BBKL tough guy domination just to realize that you really enjoy each others company...

He already did that when I first joined. And then he liked me. And now he's all frowny face again.

[MSP4LYFE]

Kareem, I guarantee Lee will be your best bud in here in about 2 weeks...hahaha You guys will be like the two cools guys that fight it out for BBKL tough guy domination just to realize that you really enjoy each others company...

Wouldn't surprise me, the same thing happened with Mashley and I.

[Lee]

I'm still not taking your shit prospects.

[MSP4LYFE]

I'm still not taking your shit prospects.

Was that a soliloquy?

[Lee]

Don;t really have a choice there

[Nick]

still dunno how Werek, Robak, Petrov are referred to as anything but really solid high end prospects... Robak might even get the blue chip status.

[Scott]

Did this deal get nixed?

[MSP4LYFE]

I just read the entir convo between Nick and Lee, I appologise, Lee was 100% pressured into making the deal and was consistent about retaining the right to veto. This is not the fault of a new GM, it's the fault of Nick for pressuring him, and Mike for being a dumbass and implying that it was acceptable to post this deal, and veto it later...

Thanks assholes, I stick my neck out for you, and fight for a non-existant cause. No wonder Nick didn't want to fight for this, FFS.

[Nick]

lol wtf kareem?

did u read the convo?

[Lee]

I didn't send it to him.. maybe he means what you wrote above? I don't save MSN convo's

[MSP4LYFE]

lol wtf kareem?

did u read the convo?

I read the entire thing...Not once did he sway from his standpoint about vetoing the deal if Shep upped his offer. Not even once...You clearly pressured him into this, and Mike lead him astray by giving him the "green light" to post a tentative deal.

This is on you my man, and I think you know that, otherwise you would be leading the charge to have this deal vetoed.

[MSP4LYFE]

I didn't send it to him.. maybe he means what you wrote above? I don't save MSN convo's

Nick posted it in the CC

[07/25/10 15:27:26 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : 1st, Cormier, Thomas & Rutkowski for Logan
[07/25/10 15:28:38 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : that's a lot closer value to that I'm looking for
[07/25/10 15:28:46 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : to pick that over Morin
[07/25/10 15:29:56 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : you were interested in Perttu Lindgren , no?
[07/25/10 15:30:17 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : I'm not adding anything to that offer.... thats frigging overpayment, but i've put it out there.
[07/25/10 15:30:49 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : no, I'm just wondering if adding Perttu Lindgren would entice you to switch Cormier to Tedenby
[07/25/10 15:30:56 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : no
[07/25/10 15:32:11 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : did you see that stefanovich signed?
[07/25/10 15:32:14 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : well I am going to tentatively accept your offer. I promised Shep that I would allow him to match before accepting any other offer
[07/25/10 15:33:31 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : and yeah I did, Stef signed in 2009 for 3 years
[07/25/10 15:33:52 ] Nick: domino's are falling. :K, cause i could also do 1st, stef, thomas & rut
[07/25/10 15:34:24 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : Cormier is the type of player I'm targeting if Tedenby is out
[07/25/10 15:37:53 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : Perttu Lindgren is yours if you want him in the trade tho
[07/25/10 15:40:05 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : ye, i'll take him as a thank you for me 'throwing in' rut
[07/25/10 15:41:14 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : yeah I know I've been nothing short of a prick when it comes to dealing Couture... He's all that I have. Literally. I have nothing of value outside of him... if you want to throw out picks. but my first is going no where.
[07/25/10 15:41:28 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : Stamkos for my first? sure.... outside of that.. no dice
[07/25/10 15:41:44 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : 2011 is a bad draft year. if you get a solid offer i'd move it no question.
[07/25/10 15:47:12 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : never said no to trading it... but it isn't value for value...
[07/25/10 15:47:37 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : ye u said stamkos though...LOL... that makes people not offer.
[07/25/10 15:48:20 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : I'd do Tavares or Duschene as well
[07/25/10 15:48:42 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : ye, your stopping all offers by saying that.
[07/25/10 15:49:37 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : Well Stefanovich, Rajala and Carcillo wouldn't get you in the ballpark I don't think anyone would trade Stamkos for multiple first round picks
[07/25/10 15:49:58 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : i wasn't offering at all. i don't want 2011 picks
[07/25/10 15:50:06 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : I know lol
[07/25/10 15:50:56 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : whose first is it, btw?
[07/25/10 15:52:02 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : not sure. likely one of the better teams.
[07/25/10 15:52:30 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : cause this will be a sequence of moves... i got 2 deals line up to confirm once you confirm this one
[07/25/10 15:53:25 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : mind if I ask what they are? not like im looking to add anything but prospects and picks anyways
[07/25/10 15:54:22 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : i'm trading away caricallo + for a 1st and cormier. Everyone is ready to go once you say so.
[07/25/10 15:54:28 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : seems upset to wait.
[07/25/10 15:55:23 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : eh .. i may be getting a rep of someone who is hard to deal with.. but im not breaking a promise to someone
[07/25/10 15:55:36 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : my other 2 deals were smooth as butter
[07/25/10 15:55:59 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : I dunno dude, he doesn't own a first so its not like he can add it
[07/25/10 15:56:33 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : & I've actually given exactly what you asked, maybe even more!!!
[07/25/10 15:56:46 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : except tedenby
[07/25/10 15:57:25 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : oh come on, i've done work to line up a 1st, cormier, & am losing with the addition of Thomas & Rut.
[07/25/10 15:57:34 ] Nick: domino's are falling. :
[07/25/10 15:57:38 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : I'm not compaining
[07/25/10 15:57:57 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : your offer is exactly what it would have taken to beat his
[07/25/10 15:58:21 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : So can we post? i don't want to lose the deal for cormier.
[07/25/10 15:58:35 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : once I talk to shep
[07/25/10 15:58:46 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : but he's o vacation.
[07/25/10 15:58:52 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : he's back tomorrow
[07/25/10 15:59:00 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : my trades aren't offical for another week anyways
[07/25/10 15:59:08 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : don't see why I won't be sticking around
[07/25/10 15:59:20 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : and I'm still posting them and editing my spreadsheet regardless
[07/25/10 15:59:29 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : ye your trades have all been solid
[07/25/10 15:59:34 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : your in.
[07/25/10 16:00:08 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : well.. when I've talked to shep, I'll confirm.
[07/25/10 16:01:30 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : ugghh.. that might cost us this deal.
[07/25/10 16:02:16 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : 1st i'm guessing will be NJD or LAK... given Mike he'll make it the worst in his opinion.
[07/25/10 16:02:33 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : both project 24-30.
[07/25/10 16:04:28 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : we can post it now if I have the right to veto it once I've spoken with Shep
[07/25/10 16:04:56 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : lol, that doesn't really make sense I don't think.
[07/25/10 16:05:45 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : post it now if everyone is so impatient with the understand that I may cancel it tomorrow if shep steps his game up
[07/25/10 16:06:23 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : na trades don't work that way, once confirmed they're done. for all my experience in the league at least.
[07/25/10 16:06:26 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : I don't think he will, he was torn over trading Morin and ross
[07/25/10 16:11:12 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : im talking to Mike about it now to get his opinion
[07/25/10 16:11:20 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : kk, i dunno how much longer i got this deal. can we please punch it through? anton would need to add a fair amount to come back up.
[07/25/10 16:12:08 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : if mike lets me cancel the deal tomorrow if shep really upgrades his offer, it's as good as done.
[07/25/10 16:14:12 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : post it now if everyone iinvolved is fine with the possibility of it being veto'd tomorrow
[07/25/10 16:14:26 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : aight
[07/25/10 16:14:31 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : "well if you both want to be able to cancel it i see no problem considering you're still in your probation period and deals arent final anyway"
[07/25/10 16:15:27 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : what are you wanting anton to add that'll be him beating what we've worked out
[07/25/10 16:15:41 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : hmm?
[07/25/10 16:15:42 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : shep
[07/25/10 16:15:43 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : sorry
[07/25/10 16:15:47 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : oh lol
[07/25/10 16:15:57 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : I dunno tbh.. we just worked this out
[07/25/10 16:16:44 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : shall we post as a three way?
[07/25/10 16:16:48 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : sure
[07/25/10 16:17:05 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : again, as long as everyone understands that it may be cancelled
[07/25/10 16:17:42 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : i dunno if i'm cool with ti dude. like what does he has to add to win?
[07/25/10 16:18:53 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : BTW, if any of you guys want to send me salary dump, i'm cool with that
[07/25/10 16:19:11 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : i have kick ass salaries.
[07/25/10 16:19:19 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : what does he has to add to win?

[07/25/10 16:20:01 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : first wins, morin and cormier come out to about even, ross is over thomas, rutkowski does this in for you
[07/25/10 16:20:55 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : so he'd need to upgrade his 2nd to a 1st ?
[07/25/10 16:21:05 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : he cant do that, he doesn't have one
[07/25/10 16:21:14 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : aight, sure lets post
[07/25/10 16:21:20 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : and the first in 2012 doesnt cut it
[07/25/10 16:23:00 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : i'm posting our deal. you confirm?
[07/25/10 16:23:10 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : oki
[07/25/10 16:27:31 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : I think Cormier will do great in Atlanta
[07/25/10 16:27:55 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : me too dude
[07/25/10 16:28:01 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : they are building an edgy team
[07/25/10 16:29:30 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : yeah him and Kane are pretty badass
[07/25/10 16:29:44 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : also buffy
[07/25/10 16:29:53 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : eager too?
[07/25/10 16:30:40 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : wow forgot about buff lol
[07/25/10 16:31:12 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : ye dude, they are a bunch of big nasties
[07/25/10 16:31:19 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : and young too
[07/25/10 16:31:23 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : they kinda lack top end talent tho
[07/25/10 16:31:30 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : thrashers?
[07/25/10 16:32:08 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : big Nik, Kane, bogo, that swede dman, & umm... waiver pickup from boston... who kicks ass...umm...
[07/25/10 16:32:51 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : hainsey? Hasn't he been declining since signing a big contract?
[07/25/10 16:33:07 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : no
[07/25/10 22:14:56 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : hey are you there?
[07/25/10 23:39:43 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : now i am
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[Conversation started on 07/26/10 09:39:18]
[07/26/10 09:39:18 ] Philidelphia -> Lee : sorry for having to cancel our deal... I just wanted to be done with it last night.. it was midnight and I didn't feel like more negotiations for him.
[07/26/10 10:21:05 ] Nick: domino's are falling. : sucks for me, and i really dislike that ya told me 1st 2012 isn't enough, and thats exactly what he took. w/e. won't ruin my team, I just need to find another player for those assets.

[Nick]

I never hid that I had another deal that needed to happen, and that the waiting was costing me; and consistently said the veto is bs. I was playing nice Kareem, and continue to try to, but don't like being told that I caused this.


I quiet specifically said:
- the veto doesn't exit
- that's not how confirmations work in our league
- i think the veto is bs
- asked specifically how if the 2012 first is what he's looking for (knowing full well shep would be willing to) and he said no, hence me deciding to just do it...


you sure you didn't just skim the convo Kareem? or does he have something you'd like to put an offer on

[Lee]

Apparently I'm never trading with Washington so I don't think that's what he's after.

Now that everyone can see the conversation, let's just drop it. It's over and done with.

[MSP4LYFE]

I never hid that I had another deal that needed to happen, and that the waiting was costing me; and consistently said the veto is bs. I was playing nice Kareem, and continue to try to, but don't like being told that I caused this.


I quiet specifically said:
- the veto doesn't exit
- that's not how confirmations work in our league
- i think the veto is bs
- asked specifically how if the 2012 first is what he's looking for (knowing full well shep would be willing to) and he said no, hence me deciding to just do it...


you sure you didn't just skim the convo Kareem? or does he have something you'd like to put an offer on

Whether or not you agree with the principle behind vetoing a deal is irrelevant, you agreed to the deal with the understanding that it could be vetoed, plain and simple. Myself, as well as everyone else were under the impression that he agreed to this deal in principle and than backed out because he got a better offer after the fact, you didn't directly state that, but you never denied it either, which lead to a bunch of unfair hate being thrown Lee's way, and that's just wrong.

[Lee]

I'm just posting this in the conversation from now on.

Now that everyone can see the conversation, let's just drop it. It's over and done with.

[Nick]

I never implied at all that I didn't know about his veto thinger... anywhere and I told ya it wasn't an issue worth pursing.