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PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:53 pm
by Robin Hood
To Montreal

Clarke MacArthur
Tyler Myers


To Pittsburgh

Joe Thornton
2013 2nd Rounder (DET)

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:08 pm
by Chuck Norris
That makes 9 NHL Dmen...if you need one come and find me. Confirmed...

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:12 pm
by bills09
solid deal Gentleman.

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:13 pm
by Nick
why trade for a 9th dman with a #1 C ?

Initial feel to me is that Shiv smashed this one out of the park- at least on my value of do-it-all C's.

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:21 pm
by bills09
he only loses fow in this deal though Sir Nicholas.
Statswise its a pretty decent deal.

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:27 pm
by The BBKL Insider
no way shiv wins this deal

no one wins this deal IMO

even steven IMO

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:06 pm
by Tony
Well, you know who to go to first when you want to move Thornton Shiv ...

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:26 pm
by Shep
Wow I wish I was in on this..

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:28 pm
by Robin Hood
Shep wroteCOLONWow I wish I was in on this..
?

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:00 pm
by The BBKL Insider
SuperMario wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLONWow I wish I was in on this..
?
Shep's been after that Det 2nd for some time now

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:47 pm
by Nick
bills09 wroteCOLONhe only loses fow in this deal though Sir Nicholas.
Statswise its a pretty decent deal.

1 player vs 2 pretty easy for that to be the case, let alone a slow year for a stud #1 C.

59a vs a combined 38
77pts vs 66
+17 vs +8 (3/5) -- no value TBH.
24stpts vs 16
557 fow vs 0
and 86shtoi vs 116 but that 86 forward shtoi

I dunno how you say only FOW when it's clearly more then that, and in a 1 player vs 2 comparison, on a fairly slow year for that individual as well.

Hits from forwards are worth a lot, not that MacArthur hits a lot, PIM and BS in reasonable totals are the cheapest stats in the BBKL

which leaves for a high SOG dman plus combined goal & GWG lead of any real value...

I'll stand by my comments
Shiv smashed this one out of the park
bills09 wroteCOLONStatswise its a pretty decent deal.
You and I need to make some statwise deals that are pretty decent then :)

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:07 pm
by Chuck Norris
Nick wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLONhe only loses fow in this deal though Sir Nicholas.
Statswise its a pretty decent deal.

1 player vs 2 pretty easy for that to be the case, let alone a slow year for a stud #1 C.

59a vs a combined 38
77pts vs 66
+17 vs +8 (3/5) -- no value TBH.
24stpts vs 16
557 fow vs 0
and 86shtoi vs 116 but that 86 forward shtoi

I dunno how you say only FOW when it's clearly more then that, and in a 1 player vs 2 comparison, on a fairly slow year for that individual as well.

Hits from forwards are worth a lot, not that MacArthur hits a lot, PIM and BS in reasonable totals are the cheapest stats in the BBKL

which leaves for a high SOG dman plus combined goal & GWG lead of any real value...

I'll stand by my comments
Shiv smashed this one out of the park
bills09 wroteCOLONStatswise its a pretty decent deal.
You and I need to make some statwise deals that are pretty decent then :)
You also forget Myers had a down year too and only played 55 games. Add in an additional 27 games of stats and they skew in my favor. Not to mention the fact that Joe's periphs have dropped 2 consecutive years running, is significantly older and a much bigger cap hit. Not to mention Myers still has some upside yet to go while Jumbo is on his way down...

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:11 pm
by Nick
legit that you like it :) not crying foul here on anything - just my perspective.

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:15 pm
by kimmer
I want Thornton....

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:08 pm
by Peter
Thornton could easily be a number 2 C for the sharks in 2-3 years.

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:49 pm
by Nick
Couture taking his spot? Gotta watch a game before predicting one of the most dominant, consistent point producing centers in the last decade.

Joe has made everyone around him better from day 1, that includes couture who benefits greatly from playing with him. Obviously I'm a Thornton fan - but its justified because he's awesome.

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:50 pm
by Robin Hood
Peter wroteCOLONThornton could easily be a number 2 C for the sharks in 2-3 years.
LOL...

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:56 pm
by Shep
SuperMario wroteCOLON
Peter wroteCOLONThornton could easily be a number 2 C for the sharks in 2-3 years.
LOL...
He'll be 36, I don't think it's necessarily impossible that he is a 2nd line centre by then, if Couture continues to progress as he has.

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:00 pm
by Robin Hood
Shep wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
Peter wroteCOLONThornton could easily be a number 2 C for the sharks in 2-3 years.
LOL...
He'll be 36, I don't think it's necessarily impossible that he is a 2nd line centre by then, if Couture continues to progress as he has.
Thornton is cut from the Sundin, Sakic etc. cloth. He will be a PPG C till he retires. Which line he plays on will not matter (although IMO he stays a line 1 C for his entire career).

Re: PIT/MTL

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:05 pm
by Shep
SuperMario wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
Peter wroteCOLONThornton could easily be a number 2 C for the sharks in 2-3 years.
LOL...
He'll be 36, I don't think it's necessarily impossible that he is a 2nd line centre by then, if Couture continues to progress as he has.
Thornton is cut from the Sundin, Sakic etc. cloth. He will be a PPG C till he retires. Which line he plays on will not matter (although IMO he stays a line 1 C for his entire career).
I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just saying it's not impossible. He's been lucky enough to stay extremely healthy so far.