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OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 2:00 am
by Robin Hood
To Ottawa

Henrik Zetterberg

To Chicago

Tyler Bozak
Matt Cooke
2015 4th Rounder (SJS)

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 2:02 am
by bills09
Confirm
Tough but good talks Shivster

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 2:06 am
by Robin Hood
Lol old habits:
Robin Hood wroteCOLONOkay done. Posted: http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12318

Sending on CBS too
bills09 wroteCOLONCbs is dead

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 2:14 am
by Matthew
prefer for shiv. bozak is a great bbkl'er and way younger.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 2:20 am
by bills09
Bozak in Toronto is a great H2H peice for sure
Be interesting to see if he returns/where he ends up

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 6:31 am
by Shep
Bozak suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Anywhere but Toronto's #1 centre and he's useless. Watch those FOW drop.

Nice one Billy.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 7:35 am
by Robin Hood
Shep wroteCOLONBozak suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Anywhere but Toronto's #1 centre and he's useless. Watch those FOW drop.

Nice one Billy.
We fundamentally disagree on something then: I do not believe players change much when they change teams. I think Bozak's FOW/point will drop slightly sure but not below like 700FOW/40points. He's been doing this for years. Any team that trades for him will give him a big role (e.g. his SHTOI will go up)

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 7:43 am
by kimmer
Lol and keep in mind not all 'first line C' takes tons of draws (see: benn/seguin/krejci/pavelski/

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 7:52 am
by The BBKL Insider
man, i think this is a cake walk for billy, if bozak is traded (or kessel is traded) he'll be a 3rd line C. Matt Cooke is probably done - maybe 1 more year.

great trade for billy here iMO

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 7:55 am
by thom54
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLONBozak suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Anywhere but Toronto's #1 centre and he's useless. Watch those FOW drop.

Nice one Billy.
We fundamentally disagree on something then: I do not believe players change much when they change teams. I think Bozak's FOW/point will drop slightly sure but not below like 700FOW/40points. He's been doing this for years. Any team that trades for him will give him a big role (e.g. his SHTOI will go up)
I think he'll be still be used in a 2C capacity.. will probably put up 40+ pts, the FOW will be there b/c the guy can draw well. SHTOI ... he's pretty freaking bad defensively no? I don't think he'd be a top 2 unit PK'er ... but still for 4.2M the value is there for him!

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 8:15 am
by Handsome&FairMike
thom54 wroteCOLON
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLONBozak suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Anywhere but Toronto's #1 centre and he's useless. Watch those FOW drop.

Nice one Billy.
We fundamentally disagree on something then: I do not believe players change much when they change teams. I think Bozak's FOW/point will drop slightly sure but not below like 700FOW/40points. He's been doing this for years. Any team that trades for him will give him a big role (e.g. his SHTOI will go up)
I think he'll be still be used in a 2C capacity.. will probably put up 40+ pts, the FOW will be there b/c the guy can draw well. SHTOI ... he's pretty freaking bad defensively no? I don't think he'd be a top 2 unit PK'er ... but still for 4.2M the value is there for him!
He's a Bonino. Solid player.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 8:44 am
by Robin Hood
Love the spectrum of opinions in this thread.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 8:47 am
by Robin Hood
thom54 wroteCOLON
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLONBozak suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Anywhere but Toronto's #1 centre and he's useless. Watch those FOW drop.

Nice one Billy.
We fundamentally disagree on something then: I do not believe players change much when they change teams. I think Bozak's FOW/point will drop slightly sure but not below like 700FOW/40points. He's been doing this for years. Any team that trades for him will give him a big role (e.g. his SHTOI will go up)
I think he'll be still be used in a 2C capacity.. will probably put up 40+ pts, the FOW will be there b/c the guy can draw well. SHTOI ... he's pretty freaking bad defensively no? I don't think he'd be a top 2 unit PK'er ... but still for 4.2M the value is there for him!
He's actually a good PKer. Just in Toronto int he #1 C role he doesn't see as much time there. He's not great defensively even-strength. If he goes to a team where he is slotted at 2/3, he'll see more PK minutes esp with his faceoff prowess

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 8:50 am
by Fraser
Bozak has some risk attached no doubt, but could easily but up a BBKL superior season to Z next year. I like it for Shiv.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 8:50 am
by Sensfanjosh
Really like the deal for Shiv myself, sure Cooke might not have a lot of time left but neither does Zetterberg, and I think there's a greater chance of Cooke and Bozak maintaining their current level of play (or even seeing a slight dip) then there is of Zetterberg staying as a top line producer.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 8:52 am
by thom54
Handsome&FairMike wroteCOLON
thom54 wroteCOLON
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLONBozak suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Anywhere but Toronto's #1 centre and he's useless. Watch those FOW drop.

Nice one Billy.
We fundamentally disagree on something then: I do not believe players change much when they change teams. I think Bozak's FOW/point will drop slightly sure but not below like 700FOW/40points. He's been doing this for years. Any team that trades for him will give him a big role (e.g. his SHTOI will go up)
I think he'll be still be used in a 2C capacity.. will probably put up 40+ pts, the FOW will be there b/c the guy can draw well. SHTOI ... he's pretty freaking bad defensively no? I don't think he'd be a top 2 unit PK'er ... but still for 4.2M the value is there for him!
He's a Bonino. Solid player.
Bonino is super overrated. 3rd line C.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 8:58 am
by Fraser
thom54 wroteCOLON
Handsome&FairMike wroteCOLON
thom54 wroteCOLON
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLONBozak suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks. Anywhere but Toronto's #1 centre and he's useless. Watch those FOW drop.

Nice one Billy.
We fundamentally disagree on something then: I do not believe players change much when they change teams. I think Bozak's FOW/point will drop slightly sure but not below like 700FOW/40points. He's been doing this for years. Any team that trades for him will give him a big role (e.g. his SHTOI will go up)
I think he'll be still be used in a 2C capacity.. will probably put up 40+ pts, the FOW will be there b/c the guy can draw well. SHTOI ... he's pretty freaking bad defensively no? I don't think he'd be a top 2 unit PK'er ... but still for 4.2M the value is there for him!
He's a Bonino. Solid player.
Bonino is super overrated. 3rd line C.
Better in BBKL than he is in real life. But yea he is definitely Vancouver's 3C now, Horvat has eclipsed him.

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 9:06 am
by kyuss
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONReally like the deal for Shiv myself, sure Cooke might not have a lot of time left but neither does Zetterberg, and I think there's a greater chance of Cooke and Bozak maintaining their current level of play (or even seeing a slight dip) then there is of Zetterberg staying as a top line producer.
if anything because of their contract, Zetterberg seems to have much more time left than Cooke.

This thread confirms me how hard of a sell Zetterberg is nowadays (I experienced it first hand)

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 9:11 am
by Handsome&FairMike
Fraser wroteCOLON
Better in BBKL than he is in real life. But yea he is definitely Vancouver's 3C now, Horvat has eclipsed him.

Fine by me... score a little and continue to have good periphs! I'll take his production from last year... better than bozaks!

Re: OTT/CHI Shiv & Billy's late night trades are back

PostedCOLON Wed May 13, 2015 9:18 am
by Fraser
Handsome&FairMike wroteCOLON
Fraser wroteCOLON
Better in BBKL than he is in real life. But yea he is definitely Vancouver's 3C now, Horvat has eclipsed him.

Fine by me... score a little and continue to have good periphs! I'll take his production from last year... better than bozaks!
Which I would think is a pretty fair estimation of production for the next while. Willie D roles his lines, no matter how much better Horvat gets I wouldn't expect that much of a declined role for Bones.