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Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:45 am
by Nick
Matt needs to be returned to admin.

If he still wants to step down so be it, we will give him time to think about that, no need to accept or force a decision. But I value what he does, and I hope others do as well, and will give him this same leeway. His team is setup for the season and can auto-pilot while he decides.

The admin spot should not be at the expense of Mike's spot, with reason for one gap, he's been a very good admin. Matt stepped up big, and together they form an amazing duo to keep the league spinning like a top.

Scott over-stepped his bounds big-time in the last few days... I cannot find anything aside from a position eligibility issue , then WHAMMY, unannounced, big changes that made way way way more issues then they fixed, that he should not have the power to do.

and just to rehash a few other points to clearly show that we're not in bad shape:

I think people are missing how the CC will function; we've had the CC managed this way in the past, and it ran smoothly.

Here is my suggestions to help us prepare for the start or the season and survive these dark times.

2 Admin's who ANYONE can talk to and send potential issues to
-anything with merit will get passed onto the CC
-league will be notified in general discussion the conversation on the topic is underway
-admin's do not get to weigh in on the topic
->->-> I'd suggest Mike & Matt for this issue, I believe they are both truly nice guys, easy to bring up potential issues to, neither is a competitively- edgy as most in the BBKL, and they handle lots of the setup/site/stuff

Return to 4-5 veteran CC members
-not just quick vote, but proper discussion can take place this way
-they are encouraged to list potential issues and concerns with the topic, and work together towards well rounded rules instead of the current polarization and my-way-or-the-highway style, instead of forcing vote to one members view, they combine ideas and negotiate fair rulings, in-place of a vote system in all cases, perhaps they are encouraged to reach consensus.
-no premature or rushed decisions, solid logical decisions will be the focus
-operate under the mandate which Kyuss nicely laid out (quoted below)
->->-> I've witnessed our best results with Kyle, Neel (though Shiv could step in here if Neel is busy), Billy and myself (Facey), though I'm open to adding a less-contending team (such as Tony/Shoalzie/Kyuss), and if preferred Shooker in place of me (if some change of personal is wanted).

Scott continues to aide and support the day-to-day running of the league, supporting Mike and Matt as well as tackling the CBS stuff. There is no denying Scott has done lots for the BBKL.

kyuss wroteCOLONsupposing everyone is prepared to put personal issues away to be able to move on and make things work, i'll try to add my personal opinion. Sorry for this being longer than i wanted.

we had never ending arguments (wasting time, creating anger and so on), people were taking sides against each other, the CC was delivering only partial resolutions that were soon contradicted by its own members..basically taking away its legitimacy..

We need consistent leadership, i.e. a CC made of few guys that:
- deserve to be in the spot: have put effort in the league, have good credibility, have a level-head and think league-first
- are not supposed to be substituted, unless necessary (no more time, availability); hence no rotation scheduled. This means stability in direction, leadership and quality/experience of the personnel.
- release clear, specific and unique resolutions only after having voted/agreed on them.

The second thing that needs to change, perhaps even more importnat, is the attitude of the participants.
Discussing suggestions is one thing, trying to create sides and bend/break the league is another one.
Anyone who stays in the league (hopefully everyone) needs to recognize the leadership that will be chosen and have faith in it; it doesn't mean not being able to express opinions and suggestions anymore, it means leaving them at reasoned opinions.

The third thing is always keeping in mind two basic principles when discussing league matters
- rule changes that affect previous strategies need to be minimized and implemented only after a fair (wide) period of notice.
- the less subjectivity is involved in the application of the rules, the better.
Kareem returns to mod duties focusing on the trade thread and I'd suggest the waiver-wire police.

Shep, Tony, & Shiv return to making kick ass banner on a semi-regular basis.

Lets keep trucking along guys, this normally kicks ass and once past this hiccup it will again.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:39 am
by Scott
Before I go into to much detail I want to talk with Mike & Matt,, I started telling Matt my idea yesterday and I think he's on board with that. I have some ideas and I want to see they both think of them.

And Nick, you're talking like I'm the only one who did this or something.. but that's fine, when everyone gets along better and things are (hopefully) running better then it'll all be worth it.

And thank you to all you guys who messaged me/pm'd me and told your story and/or said your peace.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:01 am
by Robin Hood
i for one don't care whose fault anything is. i just want things fixed. well said nick. and scott i look forward to hearing what you discussed with mike and matt.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:47 am
by armandtanzarian
Yea...Mike, Matt and Scott = BBKL admin team. All are deserving in one way or another and have a proven track record of dedication to this league. Not really up for discussion in my opinion. When i see these three names in black, I will be happy. Everything else i can tune out...lol

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:10 am
by Chuck Norris
mr. bruin wroteCOLONYea...Mike, Matt and Scott = BBKL admin team. All are deserving in one way or another and have a proven track record of dedication to this league. Not really up for discussion in my opinion. When i see these three names in black, I will be happy. Everything else i can tune out...lol
I second the motion.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:18 am
by kyuss
mr. bruin wroteCOLONYea...Mike, Matt and Scott = BBKL admin team. All are deserving in one way or another and have a proven track record of dedication to this league. Not really up for discussion in my opinion. When i see these three names in black, I will be happy. Everything else i can tune out...lol
btw, do we really need the CC to be something completely separated from the admin team?

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:59 am
by bills09
I for one just think theres way to much behind closed doors bullshit going on these days.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:45 am
by Mike
bills09 wroteCOLONI for one just think theres way to much behind closed doors bullshit going on these days.
Transparency: there hasn't been a post in the CC in 32 hours. Scott has proposed a solution which he expressed via PM to Matt and I. Hoping to have a conversation with the two of them this afternoon.

That's about all the "closed doors bs" I know of.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:23 pm
by Mash
Starpainter wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLONI for one just think theres way to much behind closed doors bullshit going on these days.
Transparency: there hasn't been a post in the CC in 32 hours. Scott has proposed a solution which he expressed via PM to Matt and I. Hoping to have a conversation with the two of them this afternoon.

That's about all the "closed doors bs" I know of.

Agreed with this ^^

As for the stuff that bryshook and facey or kareem and shiv do behind closed doos i think its safe to say none of us even want to know.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:28 pm
by Nick
no homo?

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:35 pm
by tyler
this should help explain things?

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:38 pm
by Mash
bergey wroteCOLONthis should help explain things?

LMAO ahahahh

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:38 pm
by Scott
rofl, nice Bergen

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:44 pm
by Nick
lol @ how short Bryan is....

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:46 pm
by armandtanzarian
facey wroteCOLONlol @ how short Bryan is....
hehe...good stuff.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:06 pm
by shooker
facey wroteCOLONlol @ how short Bryan is....
hey now that room is quite notabley slanted and we are all as skinny as cliff is in the picture. The only thing realistic about this picture is kareems baby dink lol

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:39 pm
by tyler
picture was not made for people to lay the hate. no wonder this league took a shit the past few days lol.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:46 pm
by shooker
bergey wroteCOLONpicture was not made for people to lay the hate. no wonder this league took a shit the past few days lol.
I think this is the type of hate that helped this league thrive. Some hate is good when it is meant in good fun.

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:48 pm
by Mash
bryshook wroteCOLON
bergey wroteCOLONpicture was not made for people to lay the hate. no wonder this league took a shit the past few days lol.
I think this is the type of hate that helped this league thrive. Some hate is good when it is meant in good fun.

What are you, some sort of expert on hate?

Re: Needs to happen.

PostedCOLON Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:49 pm
by Nick
oh, here's Bergen, trying to be the hate police.


Next thing you know he's going to tell me women are as smart as men.