JT is outta here: TBL-BUF-WSH

[kyuss]

For starters, I'm convinced you have absolutely no understanding of the word "bias", as you continually utilize this word in circumstances that are in your own best interests...

you're biased cause you're talking from a position where you deal with the benefits and not the drawbacks of what we are talking about. Hence, you apparently fail to fully get the other side of the picture, or just choose to ignore it out of interest.

Secondly, there is no manager in this league that inherited a team with no 1st round pick(s) AND no significant assets to speak of, nor has any manager inherited a team with no first rounder for the two seasons following his inheriting a team. With that misconception out of the way, you have no argument here.

misconception? i know me not having NSH 1st 2010 is reality, not misconception. Same for nighthock with his 2010 1st rounder. That's what i was referring to.. and the teams Night, Lee, .. inherited were pure crap, it is not even a conception, let alone a misconception, it's reality.

Even the worst team in this league (asset wise) like PHI can make a legitimate offer for Stamkos with Larsson/Couturier/Nougent Hopkins + Morin for instance. Not sure where "Dan Sexton" comes into play...

mmmh.. maybe you really don't get it?
would Philly really become a better team dealing to you Larsson+Morin+say,1st2013 for Stamkos?
the next day yes, but over time? debatable to say the least.. so if you had to deal Stamkos becuase of the cap, in the UNlikely case Philly was able to get him, Lee would still have to pay similar value..

I look forward to your response which will more than likely dodge the questions posed, ignore the evidence presented, and stray further off topic in an unclear, incoherent and inarticulate manner.

lol, what's this? a tentative manner to switch from blatant insults to subtler ones?
hey, maybe that's part of the growing process!

[shooker]

Mik, it really is ALL timing.

You seriously don't think if you traded Gaborik you couldn't get 2-4 good assets? And then turn 1 or 2 of those assets into a better one?

If I'm rebuilding.. that's what I'm doing. 2 steps back, 3 forward, 1 back, 2 forward.. and so on. It really IS that simple!!

bingo! I am not saying my team was as bad as some of the teams that were inherited and that I deserve gm of the year because I did an epic job but I had no goalies (kari ramo was it), I had an old overpaid blue line and a few good assets. The one for two to gain depth and hope some of them break out was my tactic. I am not saying I will win it all this year now but I am far from the bottom feeder I took over.

The key imo is not to try to build through the draft unless you aquired like 5 1st rounders. Waiting a full year for a couple picks who wont even be in the nhl for a couple years is a tactic for real life not fantasy. If you arent consistantly trying to improve your team whats the point? sure you pick might be up 4 spots higher than it could have been because you improved your team but another year after that just as productive makes you a playoff team. I dunno you can complain about it or make the best of what you have and improve slowly the choice is yours.

[kyuss]

I think Matt 100% proved this past season and off-season, that in a league with as much movement you can turn a team around very easily. He went from a team with very minor assets (2nd overall selection) to a team that is competitive.


I'm proving how easy it is to look good on paper but actually suck completely.

first off, i guess we should wait for his team to be competitive in the real competition, not only in other GMs mind. I wish him that's the case.
Then, not sure but.. maybe he did have his 2nd overall pick at least?
more importantly, how many GMs have been replaced since he joined? i guess the worst GMs were sacked and other GMs learnt from their experience.. all this after the best/more ready GMs (and Mash could be one of them as far as i know, albeit not from the start) had already taken full advantage of it.

Bottom line, if you're Nighthock, or me, or Lee.. you join the league and have no teams/GMs available anymore to rip off in deals, like others did in the past. So the comparison is hard to make and Matt eventual success would hardly prove anything more than him having done a great job.

I'm not here saying a GM can not improve his team, any GM has a chance of doing that.. just that making a terrible team (meant assets wise, not necessarily going by previous season results) really competitive under our rules and circumstances would take several yrs even to the best of them.

With this attitude, you're only setting yourself up for failure. If you just know you're good, you will be.. period. If you want to whine, bitch, and moan. it'll make you feel better when you're at the bottom of the heep.

you seem to have this idea that every time someone disagrees with you he is whining.
I was just stating an opinion, about something quite obvious btw.. which was actually even more related with other teams situations that with my own.
Not sure why what you got out of it is that i don't think i am good and i am set for failure.. but hey, everyone's entitled to his opinion, i won't call you whiner because of that

[Scott]

Mik, it really is ALL timing.

You seriously don't think if you traded Gaborik you couldn't get 2-4 good assets? And then turn 1 or 2 of those assets into a better one?

If I'm rebuilding.. that's what I'm doing. 2 steps back, 3 forward, 1 back, 2 forward.. and so on. It really IS that simple!!

bingo! I am not saying my team was as bad as some of the teams that were inherited and that I deserve gm of the year because I did an epic job but I had no goalies (kari ramo was it), I had an old overpaid blue line and a few good assets. The one for two to gain depth and hope some of them break out was my tactic. I am not saying I will win it all this year now but I am far from the bottom feeder I took over.

The key imo is not to try to build through the draft unless you aquired like 5 1st rounders. Waiting a full year for a couple picks who wont even be in the nhl for a couple years is a tactic for real life not fantasy. If you arent consistantly trying to improve your team whats the point? sure you pick might be up 4 spots higher than it could have been because you improved your team but another year after that just as productive makes you a playoff team. I dunno you can complain about it or make the best of what you have and improve slowly the choice is yours.

Tis should be the motto for the leauge.. shooker's 100% bang on. Being pro-active and constantly on the hunt to improve a little at a time is how i's done.. it's really as simple as that!

[kyuss]

Your an idiot if you think the good teams got good just by ripping off people...

where exactly did i say "just"?

[MSP4LYFE]

you're biased cause you're talking from a position where you deal with the benefits and not the drawbacks of what we are talking about. Hence, you apparently fail to fully get the other side of the picture, or just choose to ignore it out of interest.

And you're biased because you can only stand to gain through the proposed changes, that is the point...You cannot call someone else bias, when you yourself are not impartial to the topic.

misconception? i know me not having NSH 1st 2010 is reality, not misconception. Same for nighthock with his 2010 1st rounder. That's what i was referring to.. and the teams Night, Lee, .. inherited were pure crap, it is not even a conception, let alone a misconception, it's reality.

Re-read that portion of my post, because you in no way responded to the arguments posed...

mmmh.. maybe you really don't get it?
would Philly really become a better team dealing to you Larsson+Morin+say,1st2013 for Stamkos?
the next day yes, but over time? debatable to say the least.. so if you had to deal Stamkos becuase of the cap, in the UNlikely case Philly was able to get him, Lee would still have to pay similar value..

First you argued Philly couldn't possibly afford a player of Stamkos calibre, now you are arguing it isn't worth it because he would have to pay the same price as others, what is it that you are debating exactly?

lol, what's this? a tentative manner to switch from blatant insults to subtler ones?
hey, maybe that's part of the growing process!

Not an insult, merely an observation.

[MSP4LYFE]

Your an idiot if you think the good teams got good just by ripping off people...

where exactly did i say "just"?

The following implies that you think the elite teams are elite because they had weaker teams to prey on...

Bottom line, if you're Nighthock, or me, or Lee.. you join the league and have no teams/GMs available anymore to rip off in deals, like others did in the past.

The word "just" is irrelevent, no one team improved because of one specific factor that was a constant throughout. but rather a variety of different factors. However the above strongly indicates that you believe the elite gm's suceeded because of one predominant factor...

[kyuss]

And you're biased because you can only stand to gain through the proposed changes, that is the point

in case you still failed to notice, i was not proposing any rule changes.
The one proposed in the past you're probably referring to was brought up by Scott, who was not exactly the team which needed the most to open the market to free agency lol.

First you argued Philly couldn't possibly afford a player of Stamkos calibre, now you are arguing it isn't worth it because he would have to pay the same price as others, what is it that you are debating exactly?

something you don't want to listen.. obviously no point trying to explain any further..

Not an insult, merely an observation.

oh, a terrible one then!

[MSP4LYFE]

Sigh...

[Scott]

Mik, honestly.. those are excuses. If they make you feel better when you suck then I get it.. but that's not the winning attitude that GMs need.

[kyuss]

Your an idiot if you think the good teams got good just by ripping off people...

where exactly did i say "just"?

The following implies that you think the elite teams are elite because they had weaker teams to prey on...

no, it implies that it was a factor in widening the gap between the best teams and the worst ones, something the new GMs who inherited the worst teams can not count on when trying to close that enormous gap.
Matt was probably less affected by this then the ones who joined later on.

[Robin Hood]

my open challenge to all teams: I can take any team in this league and turn it into a contender before the 2010-2011 season.

[kyuss]

Mik, honestly.. those are excuses. If they make you feel better when you suck then I get it.. but that's not the winning attitude that GMs need.

call it the way you want.. it still doesn't change the facts.
If pointing out facts like the obvious differences in the situations GMs started with, or the fact the ones who joined recently with the very worst teams will very probably need yrs to make their teams really competitive means being a whiner and a loser in your mind, i'll still take it and stick to the truth.

[Scott]

my open challenge to all teams: I can take any team in this league and turn it into a contender before the 2010-2011 season.

That season's already started lol

[kyuss]

my open challenge to all teams: I can take any team in this league and turn it into a contender before the 2010-2011 season.

2011/12 maybe?
anyway..do it Lee!! do it now lol! this is your chance!!

shiv only doing it because Savard's and Streit injury anyway

[Robin Hood]

sorry yeah i meant 2011-2012 season. but yes i guarantee i could do it. i would even put money on it.

[Scott]

Also, I've been close to trading teams with other GMs a couple of times.. but I just couldn't.. I like my team and it's taken A LOT of work to get here. But I could 100% turn any lower tiered team around fairly quickly.

[Lee]

It all depends on whose ass you kiss. I prefer not to kiss anyones. I enjoy making enemies as much as I do friends.

[Scott]

my open challenge to all teams: I can take any team in this league and turn it into a contender before the 2010-2011 season.

2011/12 maybe?
anyway..do it Lee!! do it now lol! this is your chance!!

shiv only doing it because Savard's and Streit injury anyway

I don't think Lee is that much of a pussy..

[Robin Hood]

if i win the championship this year ill switch rosters with someone if they want. but I'll always be the penguins .