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Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:53 am
by Lee
Scott, didn't you pull a list from cap geek? Where did you find it?
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:56 am
by Shoalzie
Go to the 'Reserve Lists' and anyone with an "EL SR" next to their name is what we're looking for.
http://www.capgeek.com/ducks/reserve-list/
Theodore and Ritchie would apply from the Ducks.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:03 am
by Lee
Nice to see that the *finally* have Ritchie's contract details..
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:16 am
by kyuss
Lee wroteCOLONScott, didn't you pull a list from cap geek? Where did you find it?
I still have to understand how we need to care about that capgeek list
once we have the new googledoc spreadsheets that show slide eligibility how does capgeek's stuff add anything?
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:18 am
by Lee
Give us an idea who is eligible for EL slide.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:19 am
by kyuss
^^^ see the edit above
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:20 am
by Lee
Because they don't currently. How close are we to having the slide in google docs?
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:28 am
by Shoalzie
http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-does-an- ... ract-slide
If a player aged 18 or 19 signs an entry-level contract with a club (with his age calculated on Sept. 15 of the year he signed the contract) but does not play in at least 10 NHL games — regular season or playoffs — the contract will "slide" or be extended one year. The extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31 in the year he signed the contract.
Depending on the contract's structure, the player's cap hit can be affected either by an increase or a decrease. Players who sign at age 18 can have their contract extended (or "slide") two seasons.
While this is fairly straightforward for players returned to junior, it often leads to confusion for fans when 18- and 19-year-olds are assigned to a minor-league club. These situations are no different: the contract still slides, just as examples for Tomas Tatar and Niclas Bergfors illustrate.
CBA reference: Section 9.1 (d) (P. 23-24)
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:31 am
by Shoalzie
CapGeek tracks sliding contracts.
http://www.capgeek.com/player/2526
Drouin signed his ELC last year (July 5, 2013) at 18. He would be a slide risk for two seasons (until he turns 20)...the contract slid last year. He's probably going to play at least 10 games this year so his contract won't slide into next year and it will count towards the Lightning's 50 contracts.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:39 am
by kyuss
Lee wroteCOLONBecause they don't currently. How close are we to having the slide in google docs?
Not earlier than Sunday evening, roster submission should be around October 5th though.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:11 am
by Shoalzie
Further clarification, any player on those reserve lists that have highlighted in that gold color are players whose ELC can slide.
http://www.capgeek.com/rangers/reserve-list/
Anthony Duclair doesn't have "EL SR" next to his name but his deal can slide. He signed his deal the year before and slid last year to this year. It can slide again this year.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:24 pm
by Lee
So, one thing that needs to be discussed is wether sliding contracts count before or after roster submission.
EX 1: I have 55 contracts before roster sumission, 5 sliders. Players slide after roster submission. I am 5 contracts over the roster limit and must drop them before roster submission.
EX 2: I have 55 contracts before roster submission. 5 sliders. Players slide before roster submission, now I have 50 contracts and do not need to drop anyone for roster submission.
Also needs to be made clear wether or not we can change who is currently sliding.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:52 pm
by Shoalzie
If we're doing this properly, you should be able to put any slide risk contracts on that exempt list and you don't have to count them against your 50. If you have 55 contracts and 5 could slide...you make those exempt until any of them reach 10 NHL games this season.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:03 pm
by kyuss
Lee wroteCOLONSo, one thing that needs to be discussed is wether sliding contracts count before or after roster submission.
EX 1: I have 55 contracts before roster sumission, 5 sliders. Players slide after roster submission. I am 5 contracts over the roster limit and must drop them before roster submission.
EX 2: I have 55 contracts before roster submission. 5 sliders. Players slide before roster submission, now I have 50 contracts and do not need to drop anyone for roster submission.
the 50 contracts limit does not apply during the off season, hence only applies after roster submission, which makes that question pointless.
Also needs to be made clear wether or not we can change who is currently sliding.
not sure what does that mean?
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:07 pm
by kyuss
Shoalzie wroteCOLONIf you have 55 contracts and 5 could slide...you make those exempt until any of them reach 10 NHL games this season.
so that's part of what you're proposing?
that's quite different from what i am proposing (with the bad key aspect of forcing us to track in-season situations), see the CC thread and please reply about that.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:14 pm
by bills09
Junior players should slide unless called up in which one would need contract space
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:22 pm
by Lee
kyuss wroteCOLONLee wroteCOLONSo, one thing that needs to be discussed is wether sliding contracts count before or after roster submission.
EX 1: I have 55 contracts before roster sumission, 5 sliders. Players slide after roster submission. I am 5 contracts over the roster limit and must drop them before roster submission.
EX 2: I have 55 contracts before roster submission. 5 sliders. Players slide before roster submission, now I have 50 contracts and do not need to drop anyone for roster submission.
the 50 contracts limit does not apply during the off season, hence only applies after roster submission, which makes that question pointless.
Also needs to be made clear wether or not we can change who is currently sliding.
not sure what does that mean?
It's not pointless at all.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:40 pm
by Sensfanjosh
Yeah Lee is correct here,
If our slide rule applies before roster submission then players would always 'slide' regardless of their real life situation (assuming I am following) we essentially are assuming that guys are being sent down. If the slide rule goes into effect after the 9 NHL game limit then teams such as the example Lee is proposing would need to shed 5 contracts in order to go through roster submission, and then would have an additional 5 spots open in week 2 or 3 after his players had been sent down assuming they go down.
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:41 pm
by kyuss
bills09 wroteCOLONJunior players should slide unless called up in which one would need contract space
that's basically what i've been proposing inside the CC
Re: Ongoing CBA Discussion Thread
PostedCOLON Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:42 pm
by Sensfanjosh
We won't know if they are called up until after roster submission is Lee's point I believe.