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Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:10 am
by Nick
I like it for Hong - baring a comeback by Luke I think he ran away with two superior players.

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:12 am
by kyuss
as a Western conference resident, i dislike this deal.

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:13 am
by Shep
KapG wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLONRight now he might win, but it's debateable.

Schenn >/= Orpik and is 9 years younger.

Hossa > perron yes, but perron is not done developing IMO and he is 9 years younger.

Hong also takes on far more injury risk all for minute gains in the present. Not the smartest asset management IMO.
Stats say Orpik > Schenn. Until stats show me otherwise, I'll take BBKL stats.

Also, age is nothing and SO overrated. How is there far more injury risk for hong? Hossa was concussed, sure. Perron missed 90+ games from a concussion. Suddenly he's no risk? This is Hossa's first concussion.
Before last year Hossa hadn't been healthy for a full season since 2006.. The guys always injured. The only thing Orpik has on Schenn right now is PK and if you go back a year before Schenn had over 200 mins of SHTOI, Ron wilson was just a fucking retard and wouldn't put him out there.

Perron has had that nasty concussion yes, but prior to that he was good for a full season.
Schenn isn't going to PK ahead of Coburn or Timonen so he'll still be relegated to PK#2

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:13 am
by Shep
kyuss wroteCOLONas a Western conference resident, i dislike this deal.
Agreed. Hong gets stronger for the next 5 years.

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:15 am
by KapG
Shep wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLON
Shep wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLONRight now he might win, but it's debateable.

Schenn >/= Orpik and is 9 years younger.

Hossa > perron yes, but perron is not done developing IMO and he is 9 years younger.

Hong also takes on far more injury risk all for minute gains in the present. Not the smartest asset management IMO.
Stats say Orpik > Schenn. Until stats show me otherwise, I'll take BBKL stats.

Also, age is nothing and SO overrated. How is there far more injury risk for hong? Hossa was concussed, sure. Perron missed 90+ games from a concussion. Suddenly he's no risk? This is Hossa's first concussion.
Before last year Hossa hadn't been healthy for a full season since 2006.. The guys always injured. The only thing Orpik has on Schenn right now is PK and if you go back a year before Schenn had over 200 mins of SHTOI, Ron wilson was just a fucking retard and wouldn't put him out there.

Perron has had that nasty concussion yes, but prior to that he was good for a full season.
Schenn isn't going to PK ahead of Coburn or Timonen so he'll still be relegated to PK#2

Still likely see's about 200 shtoi I would guess. No I won't bet on it though ;)

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:25 am
by hong57
i do agree schenn > orpik long term.. i love schenn and i think he will be back in his form.. but hossa when healthy is a huge upgrade on perron.. even though i do like perron's production and probably be a consistent 25-30g scorer... but i have schwartz to kick him out of the top line in soon future

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:27 am
by hong57
and schenn has underrated scoring.. his scoring production increase every season i think he can reach 30 which makes him even more valuable

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:30 am
by Robin Hood
Now the over reactions are going the other way. Hong gets more the the best player in hossa. I get a very similar player to Orpik in Schenn. I save 1.6m in cap. I get 10 years younger and healthier and each position with players that have untapped potential.

Fair as fuck IMO.

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:39 pm
by bills09
I doubt Schenn pks over Timmonen Coburn Grossmann...

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:02 pm
by Nick
I thought Grossman sucked, and by that I mean he reminded me a lot of Luke.

But there's also the actual chance of Chris Pronger returning... which pushes everyone's minutes back.

W/o pronger, the fact is the Flyers D was bad - they outscored and pressed on with their impressive forward group. So if Luke can find his game he'll have landed in a very nice home.

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:16 pm
by Robin Hood
bills09 wroteCOLONI doubt Schenn pks over Timmonen Coburn Grossmann...
Schenn will see 200 SHTOI. I could careless about who he PKs over lol.

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:26 pm
by kimmer
A lot of analysis that went on to evaluate the schenn deal in real life also suggested that there is indeed a plan for schenn in philly mainly due to the fact that his gritty style of play along with the ability to land bone crunching hits really suit the style of the game philly is used to and the fans are used to it as well. We are talking production but i believe that schenn will be popular in philly and even be a fan favourite. If he can take smart advantage of this potential situation, he will have no problems dishing out shtoi over any of the top 4 dmen in philly.

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:55 pm
by KapG
bills09 wroteCOLONI doubt Schenn pks over Timmonen Coburn Grossmann...

The only players who should pk over him are Timmonen and Coburn. Grossman just isn't that good...IMO of course.

I still think he sees 200+. Schenn that is..

Re: PIT/MIN Blockbuster

PostedCOLON Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:34 am
by armandtanzarian
Based on the various reaction from both sides of the coin, I would say this is a great and even trade.