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gooker wroteCOLONI mean, it's ok. I welcome all comments. I wouldn't have done this deal at all if I didn't think it was good for me

Gaborik is definitely < Vanek. I told mik this multiple times before starting negotiations about 1.5 weeks on and off til today. The adds were the problem, and mik wouldn't budge with the adds I wanted him to pay.

The thing people in bbkl don't realize about my team is lack of NHL depth (in order to get out of bottom 5 standings consistently). Fehr + Scandella aren't some throw-away adds that are worth a draft pick or anything. These guys are full time NHLers in their prime age (Scandella being very underrated IMO) that will provide me pretty good depth over the season. All 3 guys have had some injury history and YES, I even mentioned to Mik via PM Vanek always has generally been healthier over Gaborik. TBH, Gaborik hasn't been injured all that much last 2 seasons and I like his chance to explode in CLB, as much as Vanek will in NYI. The kind of depth Mik gave me allowed me to think that by 2015, I won't be close to a bottom 5 team overall even with a tough division. 2014 1st NSH was a sufficient substitute in return.

Ur grtting better paul but u still have a long ways to go before ur out of the draft lottery, no offense.

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gooker wroteCOLONI mean, it's ok. I welcome all comments. I wouldn't have done this deal at all if I didn't think it was good for me

Gaborik is definitely < Vanek. I told mik this multiple times before starting negotiations about 1.5 weeks on and off til today. The adds were the problem, and mik wouldn't budge with the adds I wanted him to pay.

The thing people in bbkl don't realize about my team is lack of NHL depth (in order to get out of bottom 5 standings consistently). Fehr + Scandella aren't some throw-away adds that are worth a draft pick or anything. These guys are full time NHLers in their prime age (Scandella being very underrated IMO) that will provide me pretty good depth over the season. All 3 guys have had some injury history and YES, I even mentioned to Mik via PM Vanek always has generally been healthier over Gaborik. TBH, Gaborik hasn't been injured all that much last 2 seasons and I like his chance to explode in CLB, as much as Vanek will in NYI. The kind of depth Mik gave me allowed me to think that by 2015, I won't be close to a bottom 5 team overall even with a tough division. 2014 1st NSH was a sufficient substitute in return.

Ur grtting better paul but u still have a long ways to go before ur out of the draft lottery, no offense.

I don't want to say that I will get out of the draft lottery position all of a sudden bro, don't worry I'm realistic.

But at this rate I have every confidence that i won't be positionally perceived as a team considered to automatically be a top 5 pick. Vanek and Gaborik's production when all things equal really can't be argued one way or another. One couldnt possibly say Vanek for Gabo straight up was an absolute rape. Thats all.

Fair Deals Steve wroteCOLONPaul actually has a decent team....his team isn't nearly as bad as some think.

KapG wroteCOLON

kyuss wroteCOLONupnscraps... apparently not many around here watched Scandella play during last season playoffs.

Oh, and Fehr solved his shoulder issues, he has taken plenty of bodychecks during the 73 games in a row he has played in the last 12 months (i.e. since being healthy)

73 games in a row? My gosh almost one 82 game season. How many years has he been in the nhl now? 7 or so?

Scandella...I don't give a shit what he did in the playoffs. This is a regular season league...

Bruyns wroteCOLONLike it for Mik, but I know first hand how difficult it can be to add NHL depth. No way Mik would have traded him Scandella unless Paul paid a 1st. I have had GMs ask me for 1st round picks for terrible players and I've tried trading 2nds for NHL players and it seems to get me nowhere. I would have held onto Vanek in hopes he catches fire with JT and sell high on him, but turning him into Gaborik and 2 NHL players is good for Paul's team and he just needs to hope the 2015 1st is a bust, but that's 3-4 years into the future at least anyways.

KapG wroteCOLONBtw mik those gp numbers ur showing me. They don't look very good lol...so he's been healthy for the start of this year and half of a full season...has a waaaaays to go before I consider him to not be an injury risk.

gooker wroteCOLONLol kyles so mad. Dont wry bro ill let u quote this thread at the seasons end and call me out on it. I have no problemzz. Mik, it's not necessary to defend fehr lolol i personally think u did well in my difficult negotiation. Even i make u sweat i know.

shooker wroteCOLONLove it for mik. I personally think Vanek + McElhinney for Gaborik + Scandella + Fehr is a fair deal. I feel like Kim traded his first in 2015 (3-8 at this point) for nsh 1st ( 20+ ) straight up. I understand depth as reason to give up futures but I traded away Chimera for a 2nd and had him on my block for a while for picks, Gill was just picked up for a 4th rounder, chuck picked up cliché for a 4th and 5th. I just feel adding those guys, keeping your first and a high caliber prospect would have been better in the long run.

that said, I've made worse trades so what ever. I just don't want mik to end up with McDavid.

Peter wroteCOLON

shooker wroteCOLONLove it for mik. I personally think Vanek + McElhinney for Gaborik + Scandella + Fehr is a fair deal. I feel like Kim traded his first in 2015 (3-8 at this point) for nsh 1st ( 20+ ) straight up. I understand depth as reason to give up futures but I traded away Chimera for a 2nd and had him on my block for a while for picks, Gill was just picked up for a 4th rounder, chuck picked up cliché for a 4th and 5th. I just feel adding those guys, keeping your first and a high caliber prospect would have been better in the long run.

that said, I've made worse trades so what ever. I just don't want mik to end up with McDavid.

I misread this deal at first and though it was 2014 CAR for 2015 CAR, which seemed random.

I really don't like this deal for Paul, Scandella's a decent piece, but as a regarded lottery team, it makes a lot more sense to maximize the value of those assets, especially in a draft where guys like McDavid an Barzal are available. Things can go wrong, your goalies could shit on you, you could have injuries to your best players, thats all it takes to go from being a bottom 5-8 team to a bottom 1-3.
My pick for instance in a much lower regarded draft class, traded in a rush, landed Michalek + Lazar inevitably. Which I'm not saying Paul's pick is as lowly regarded as mine, but I think he could do a lot better than Scandella and Fehr with some patience, especially in that 2015 draft class.

ps mik, I'm interested in that CAR pick.

gooker wroteCOLONThe adds were the problem, and mik wouldn't budge with the adds I wanted him to pay.

CAM wroteCOLONPaul for all the trolling you do with Burns and Vanek, I thought you would at least get the upper hand of any potential deal. You must have had the trading itch? I agree with most, that the picks really had no business in this deal.

I guess i just feel that a team in your position doesn't need to make this deal.