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Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:11 am
by CAM
thom54 wroteCOLONis CAM alive still? he's gotta be hurting
Yea, pretty let down by hockey. Not going to lie. My team went from perennial contender to rebuilding a franchise with a bunch of off the board picks and dumping players that you supposedly were designing your brand around. I am baffled and dont give a fuck. I wont feel bad about missing any bruins games this year as i did years past. Maybe ticket prices will start plummeting. I feel B's fans are in for a long ride.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:00 am
by Lee
plenty of room on the leafs pity party for you, cam

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:03 am
by CAM
Lee wroteCOLONplenty of room on the leafs pity party for you, cam
At least you can see some sun light with the Leafs. They are finally doing it right. The blinds are heading down on the Bruins, not up. And on cue, the typical Bruins slander story on a traded player.

“It was surprising,” said one NHL assistant GM. “It’s obvious there’s something going on that we don’t know about. From what I’ve heard behind the scenes, his teammates don’t like him. I heard he’s a loner and sort of an uppity kid, and that his teammates don’t like him and it was unanimous.”

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:04 am
by The BBKL Insider
ya this sweeny guy is fucked, he'll last 2 years top before he's canned. He's like an excited child in a candy store who's tasted the sweetness of sugar for the first time. Over-excited with no idea how to control it.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:08 am
by Sensfanjosh
Not saying I agree with the Bruin's moves necessarily but there is a way to read some sense into them.

If the Bruin's knew an offer sheet that they couldn't match was coming for Dougie and the Flames offer was more than the comphensation they would receive back from it, the deal begins to make more sense. Also they do have quite a few young defensemen who are close to ready or ready to make the leap and that should help alleviate some of the gap that Hamilton's move created.

The Soderberg trade appears to me the classic case of a guy simply not wanting to resign, and the Bruins got something rather than nothing, not too difficult there.

The Lucic move I actually find interesting, because it would appear Neely and Sweeney would want to keep him over almost all others because he fits that style they want to play. In trading him though, they solidified their goalie system by adding a goalie who has proven he can be stable in a good system in Jones, a 1st and a solid prospect in Miller. I really believe that the Bruins looked to the players similar to Lucic around the league (Callahan and Brown in particular) and decided to sell high on him in that while all three are still excellent periph players and leaders, signs of breakdown has begun to show. All three moves allowed them to take a step back this year, regain cap flexibility which was sorely needed.

Some will point to Kelly etc. as being more palatable guys to move given their salaries but I think that, beyond being of less interest around the league that pieces like Hamilton, and Lucic, the value of Chris Kelly lies in the leadership he provides and one of the worst losses in the Boychuk trade last offseason was the leadership void. I think Bruins management now recognizes that leadership is a tangible asset and tried to learn from the mistake of moving it out.

Again just my opinion on a different perspective of the moves which on the surface are hard to understand

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:42 am
by Shoalzie
Nice deal for Ian Cole...3 years, $2.1 million per. Cap friendly for the Pens also.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:50 am
by kimmer
Excellent post josh

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:05 am
by Chuck Norris
Only point to make on your post Josh is if Hamilton was getting an offer sheet and rumor was the B's would match around 7mil...anything in that range would be at least 3 1st rounders as compensation.

I can almost guarantee he got a lot less than if he waited on the offer sheet and not matched.

Otherwise good post.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:07 am
by Sensfanjosh
Chuck Norris wroteCOLONOnly point to make on your post Josh is if Hamilton was getting an offer sheet and rumor was the B's would match around 7mil...anything in that range would be at least 3 1st rounders as compensation.

I can almost guarantee he got a lot less than if he waited on the offer sheet and not matched.
Don't think they could have matched that high myself, and figure that was likely an attempt to scare off a team from making the move. A long-term 7 million dollar deal would be pretty crippling to their team I'd think.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:10 am
by Chuck Norris
Agreed, but if Sweeney was smart and knowing a sheet was coming he'd have been better off not matching and getting 2-3 1sts rather than a 1st + 2 2nds.

Terrible asset management in that deal.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:17 am
by Bruyns
Plus it's reported they turned down a better offer from the Oilers out of spite for Chiarelli. Great management taking a worse return for personal reasons haha.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:28 am
by Nick
Ya, widly reported they said Nurse or nothing for Chiarelli, lower price for others. Maybe Chiarelli burnt a bunch of bridges on the way out, but he's now GM of an asset rich team...

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:29 am
by Sensfanjosh
Chuck Norris wroteCOLONAgreed, but if Sweeney was smart and knowing a sheet was coming he'd have been better off not matching and getting 2-3 1sts rather than a 1st + 2 2nds.

Terrible asset management in that deal.
Sorry what I am saying is that that would be crippling, but I don't think they expected an offer sheet of 7 million or more- but were aware of a sheet of say between 5-6.5 was coming so let it be known they would match an even better offer to try and scare them off. The other factor is the comphensation of an offer sheet is spread out over 3 years right, so getting picks in this draft is obviously of more interest than a 1st three years away from now.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:37 am
by Shoalzie
The only defense of not letting him get offer sheeted...you don't get to use those draft picks until next year and beyond. The depth of this year's draft at least gives value to adding a 1st this year compared to the 1st round (or more) of the team that signed him.

However, you have to do better with those picks over the weekend.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:28 am
by kyuss
it was reported with the offer sheet Hamilton was going to get they would have been compensated with only 1st, 2nd and 3rd, iirc

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:36 am
by Bruyns
They could offer up to 7.3 with that compensation. My issue is there is 0 chance that is the best offer they could get.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:41 am
by kyuss
Bruyns wroteCOLONThey could offer up to 7.3 with that compensation. My issue is there is 0 chance that is the best offer they could get.
the point is, apparently he was not going to get an offer higher than that

(and why the hell would a team want to offer over 7.3 a year and lose 2 or 3 1sts?)

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:50 am
by Sensfanjosh
I think its quite obvious a lot of this discussion is guess work and conjecture, the point I was trying to make and Mik helped illustrate is its not really all that difficult to cast the Bruins moves in a light that isn't quite as negative as many have taken it. Maybe Sweeney is ruining them, but maybe he's just making the moves he needed to with the team he inherited.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:09 pm
by Chuck Norris
Apparently the B's did offer 6 year 33 million to him at some point recently. Not nearly enough for a player of his calibre; feel like that's a slap in the face to Dougie...

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:10 pm
by The BBKL Insider
Cody Hodgson about to get bought out