Adam Larsson signs for rookie max - no bonuses.

[Lee]

Sweet bloody frak the Devils made out like bandits with this pick.

[bills09]

Steal. and i hate Larsson

[Mike]

I don't understand why more rooks don't do this. Give up the meager bonuses, provide the deal with very important cap space, and get rewarded on your first real contract.

[Lee]

I don't see why more don't do it if they are promised more than the 9 game buffer. NHL ready prospects, anyways.

[shooker]

I don't understand why more rooks don't do this. Give up the meager bonuses, provide the deal with very important cap space, and get rewarded on your first real contract.

because with a 15-20 year career (obviously above average length) that extra 6+ mill in the first three season really adds up. Those bonuses are easy to reach and the player almost always gets close to the max of his bonuses. I also don't believe that a player who does not get production bonuses in his ELC deserves or will get a greater second contract because of it.

It's a production based industry. they landed those big ELC contracts because of what they have done at the junior level and in turn will have their second contracts entirely based on production instead of previous contracts. I personally would want the bonuses if other players drafted around where I was, past and present, where given those contracts.

[MSP4LYFE]

Fuck...

[Robin Hood]

I don't understand why more rooks don't do this. Give up the meager bonuses, provide the deal with very important cap space, and get rewarded on your first real contract.

because with a 15-20 year career (obviously above average length) that extra 6+ mill in the first three season really adds up. Those bonuses are easy to reach and the player almost always gets close to the max of his bonuses. I also don't believe that a player who does not get production bonuses in his ELC deserves or will get a greater second contract because of it.

It's a production based industry. they landed those big ELC contracts because of what they have done at the junior level and in turn will have their second contracts entirely based on production instead of previous contracts. I personally would want the bonuses if other players drafted around where I was, past and present, where given those contracts.

this.

[Robin Hood]

Fuck...

why aren't you happy?

[shooker]

Fuck...

why aren't you happy?

guessing he needs cap

[MSP4LYFE]

Fuck...

why aren't you happy?

Floor. Probably the first time in my life I am upset to see a bargain contract.

[Mike]

I don't understand why more rooks don't do this. Give up the meager bonuses, provide the deal with very important cap space, and get rewarded on your first real contract.

because with a 15-20 year career (obviously above average length) that extra 6+ mill in the first three season really adds up. Those bonuses are easy to reach and the player almost always gets close to the max of his bonuses. I also don't believe that a player who does not get production bonuses in his ELC deserves or will get a greater second contract because of it.

It's a production based industry. they landed those big ELC contracts because of what they have done at the junior level and in turn will have their second contracts entirely based on production instead of previous contracts. I personally would want the bonuses if other players drafted around where I was, past and present, where given those contracts.

Are you saying most players attain their bonuses?

I don't buy it. Think of a guy like Jack Skille. He had an annoying cap hit on his ELC which kept him in the minors. If he were just making 850k he would have been called up, but CHI couldn't make the space to recall him at 1.25. Instead, he was stuck making 50k a year in the A.

[Lee]

Fuck...

why aren't you happy?

Floor. Probably the first time in my life I am upset to see a bargain contract.

I'll give you Henrik Tallinder for him. Should help with your cap situation. Good for both sides.

[shooker]

Are you saying most players attain their bonuses?

I don't buy it. Think of a guy like Jack Skille. He had an annoying cap hit on his ELC which kept him in the minors. If he were just making 850k he would have been called up, but CHI couldn't make the space to recall him at 1.25. Instead, he was stuck making 50k a year in the A.

Jack Skille is borderline bust. If he was playing up to potential, Chi would have found a way to call him up.

There will always be ways for this to backfire but those are fewer than the times where they land the extra money. These players are usually on bottom feeders with the exception of Seguin and Potentially Larsson which usually means they have the cap space anyways.

[Robin Hood]

Are you saying most players attain their bonuses?

I don't buy it. Think of a guy like Jack Skille. He had an annoying cap hit on his ELC which kept him in the minors. If he were just making 850k he would have been called up, but CHI couldn't make the space to recall him at 1.25. Instead, he was stuck making 50k a year in the A.

Jack Skille is borderline bust. If he was playing up to potential, Chi would have found a way to call him up.

There will always be ways for this to backfire but those are fewer than the times where they land the extra money. These players are usually on bottom feeders with the exception of Seguin and Potentially Larsson which usually means they have the cap space anyways.

mikes point is well noted though. if you are a player on a good playoff team, it makes sense to not take the bonus to make the cap/roster cut. each team has a good 1st round pick that receives such contracts. and a lot of them miss out on opportunities to play.

[Mike]

Are you saying most players attain their bonuses?

I don't buy it. Think of a guy like Jack Skille. He had an annoying cap hit on his ELC which kept him in the minors. If he were just making 850k he would have been called up, but CHI couldn't make the space to recall him at 1.25. Instead, he was stuck making 50k a year in the A.

Jack Skille is borderline bust. If he was playing up to potential, Chi would have found a way to call him up.

There will always be ways for this to backfire but those are fewer than the times where they land the extra money. These players are usually on bottom feeders with the exception of Seguin and Potentially Larsson which usually means they have the cap space anyways.

Skille's erm... skill, is irrelevant. The point is they did indeed want to call him up but couldn't make the space. There was talk of that right out of camp. In this instance it obviously would have been much better for Skille to take his base salary. I'm sure there are other examples of this. Cody Hodgson comes to mind.

[Robin Hood]

Are you saying most players attain their bonuses?

I don't buy it. Think of a guy like Jack Skille. He had an annoying cap hit on his ELC which kept him in the minors. If he were just making 850k he would have been called up, but CHI couldn't make the space to recall him at 1.25. Instead, he was stuck making 50k a year in the A.

Jack Skille is borderline bust. If he was playing up to potential, Chi would have found a way to call him up.

There will always be ways for this to backfire but those are fewer than the times where they land the extra money. These players are usually on bottom feeders with the exception of Seguin and Potentially Larsson which usually means they have the cap space anyways.

Skille's erm... skill, is irrelevant. The point is they did indeed want to call him up but couldn't make the space. There was talk of that right out of camp. In this instance it obviously would have been much better for Skille to take his base salary. I'm sure there are other examples of this. Cody Hodgson comes to mind.

I was gonna mention Hodgson. There are actually a lot of examples. I know Boston has the room for him but Seguin could easily have been omitted too.

[shooker]

mikes point is well noted though. if you are a player on a good playoff team, it makes sense to not take the bonus to make the cap/roster cut. each team has a good 1st round pick that receives such contracts. and a lot of them miss out on opportunities to play.

If you want to use that as a legitimate argument I will throw another one at you, Dustin Boyd in Calgary. This guy was held back for multiple years because he was a waiver exempt player on a Calgary team that had alot of good players on it. I remember hearing Sutter say that Boyd made the team but because of contract issues he had to be sent down to the AHL. So just because someone signs a cheaper contract, it doesn't always give them a better chance at making a team.

It has and always will come down to level of play

[shooker]

Skille's erm... skill, is irrelevant. The point is they did indeed want to call him up but couldn't make the space. There was talk of that right out of camp. In this instance it obviously would have been much better for Skille to take his base salary. I'm sure there are other examples of this. Cody Hodgson comes to mind.

Cody didnt make our team because of play not money lol

[Mike]

mikes point is well noted though. if you are a player on a good playoff team, it makes sense to not take the bonus to make the cap/roster cut. each team has a good 1st round pick that receives such contracts. and a lot of them miss out on opportunities to play.

If you want to use that as a legitimate argument I will throw another one at you, Dustin Boyd in Calgary. This guy was held back for multiple years because he was a waiver exempt player on a Calgary team that had alot of good players on it. I remember hearing Sutter say that Boyd made the team but because of contract issues he had to be sent down to the AHL. So just because someone signs a cheaper contract, it doesn't always give them a better chance at making a team.

It has and always will come down to level of play

That's a good point, but it has nothing to do with the bonuses thing. He was held down because of roster space. Having bonuses has nothing to do with one's waiver eligibility.

[Mike]

Skille's erm... skill, is irrelevant. The point is they did indeed want to call him up but couldn't make the space. There was talk of that right out of camp. In this instance it obviously would have been much better for Skille to take his base salary. I'm sure there are other examples of this. Cody Hodgson comes to mind.

Cody didnt make our team because of play not money lol

And you don't think Gillis would be more likely in the slightest to have him up were he making 850k?